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- allthethings6
nb...people like Mitch McConnell are "heartless bastards who don't give a shit about others."
"Republicans" really do believe that Republican policies will help...them. If they're rich, the policies will help them. If they're poor, they believe that at least those policies are hurting [other people] more.
My friends who still call themselves Republicans after years of this shit show fall into two camps: The ones who still believe in certain tenets of "conservatism," meaning they're anti-choice or they feel like they pay too much in taxes, and the ones whose worldviews have been so warped by Fox News that they really believe that hordes of "illegals" are coming to take their jobs or rape their womenfolk, and that "elitists" are "weak" and "socialists" who would capitulate to Hitler.
Frequently, these two types dovetail. I have a friend who is a devoted Fox watcher, former Marine who hated the waste and stupidity he was surprised to find there, and white collar sales and manufacturing exec. He lives in a suburban, cloistered community that in 2009 was decimated by foreclosures (mainly execs like himself with big families who didn't live within their means). He isn't a racist, but he doesn't see or acknowledge his white privilege. He definitely feels that "they" (fill in the blank) don't work as hard as he does, and still gives credit to Republicans for being "fiscally conservative," even though there is no evidence that this credit is deserved.
This guy is a friend of mine, so believe me when I say that I say this with love: He's an idiot. He is so hardened in his beliefs that he would not abandon the GOP, no matter what. I know there are many conservatives who abandoned the GOP because of Trump, but they are 30 years late to the party. Those who are sticking with the GOP of Mitch McConnell are ignorant, I can't frame it in any kinder way.
Yes, they're nice people. They love their families, are good to their kids, pay their taxes. Fuck all of them for their ignorance.
- yupmonospaced
- point is that all that doesn't mean that you're not an idiot too. That 'your' policies may not work either - at least not in the best interests of your friend.Fax_Benson
- I won't deny that I'm an idiot. But I believe that government policies should serve the people, not just the ruling class. Policies may have unintendedallthethings
- consequences, they may not work, but at a minimum they should be egalitarian. I mean, there's a reason why people form governments, and it's not to createallthethings
- and perpetuate a permanent underclass.allthethings
- mathinc1
- When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I’m basically the same. The temperament is not that different.mg33
- he seems to be the acting the adult in this situation. hard to stomach an idea of an investigation as a bait trap to try and get obstruction. than call obstruct********
- ion on any thing possible ignoring the motive and reasons and evidence in the first place. fuck if this is the way politics will be played fuck all we're fucked********
- mg333
When you face people who for whatever reason still support Trump, ask them this:
Would you accept this behavior, and ignorance, and immorality, from your spouse? From your coworkers? From your boss? From your relatives? From your children? From your employees?
If no to all of those, why do you accept it from the president?
- From Bill Clinton?teh
- they don't care, he's "not a politician" and he didn't commit a crime ;)monospaced
- What mono said, plus people have known Trump for much longer than most anyone you see in media now. He's trusted.robotron3k
- That’s not true though. Almost all accounts of people who knew him before are about his untrustworthiness.monospaced
- And I don’t know how you missed that my comment was sarcasm. His ardent defenders will accept anything as long as it isn’t criminal. That is despicable.monospaced
- Well he missed your sarcasm just like he misses Trump's lies, it's blissful ignorance, trolling and stupidity having a threesome.ben_
- Ramanisky24
The President of theeee United States
- a lot of sniffing & sniffling.Ramanisky2
- "Most of you would agree". Fuck off cunt...BusterBoy
- Mentally ill.BusterBoy
- The best man the US has ever created. Possibly even the planet. What the world needs is a shagger like him.
Thank you Jesus.PhanLo - hamberder styleneverscared
- allthethings0
New 2020 Monmouth poll
Biden 33%
Sanders 15%
Harris 11%
Warren 10%
Buttigieg 6%
O'Rourke 4%
Klobuchar 3%
Booker 1%
Castro 1%
de Blasio 1%
Gabbard 1%
Williamson 1%
Yang 1%
Bennet <1%
Delaney <1%
Gillibrand <1%
Hickenlooper <1%
Inslee <1%
Ryan <1%
Bullock 0%
Moulton 0%
Swalwell 0%@absurdistwords on Twitter responded, "Creepy Uncle Bowl 2020 is on."
My question is, what makes any of the people down below 5% think they can put something together here?
- what happened to o'rourke?Gnash
- His skateboarding was so bad, people lost faith.PhanLo
- Are people really that set on voting for Biden? I don't get it.yuekit
- I remember when there were this many republicans in the debates in 2016.monospaced
- I expect at least half these folks to fall off the list by end of summer... like mono said - pubs had 17 running at the outset until //Russia picked Trump. XDPonyBoy
- Most of those won't make the debates, which start in less than a month.allthethings
- I wonder which one China will back! They're going to want to get rid of that trade war.zarkonite
- bliznutty0
The State provides a legal, orderly, systematic channel for the predation of private property; it renders certain, secure, and relatively "peaceful" the lifeline of the parasitic caste in society.
Since production must always precede predation, the free market is anterior to the State. The State has never been created by a "social contract"; it has always been born in conquest and exploitation.
Murray N. Rothbard
free productive markets are anterior to the state.. there is no social contract.. should seem obvious to most!
- states, the biggest fraud ever :)renderedred
- i used to believe that the ruling class was conspired, then realized being ruled comes from non-critical evaluation of inherited compulsory mandatory systems.bliznutty
- in other words, the absolute final determination of why the ruling class exists and forever will, lives within ME deciding right now to be a statist or notbliznutty
- agreed. well said. i am still fighting ;)renderedred
- hmm. but the whole point of a strict republic is limited control on private property. a state is a necessary evil, but needs to be reminded of its nature********
- one does not need to be a statist. merely realize the roles necessary to play. I can be absolutely free and choose state control. but i should********
- not think of those state side people as anymore than servants... or maybe not servants since they should not provide anything that didnt come before********
- mpre those british guards that dont move. just boring ass placeholders********
- Ramanisky24
Mmm Om nom nom
- Please tell me that was a deep fake.teh
- Few beers tonight for Brett.PhanLo
- waxy biscuit game?fadein11
- don’t forget about SqueeRamanisky2
- The former Australian PM. https://www.youtube.…BusterBoy
- sted2
unfortunately the office was full with politics talk today but this video got my attention. guy got just five votes at the booth where his family of nine voted ekk :D:D:D
- Ianbolton0
Great talk and i'll be interested to see how it plays out over the next few too
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes…
Reith Lectures 2019
Jonathan Sumption argues that the law is taking over the space once occupied by politics. Lord Sumption is a former justice of the UK's Supreme Court.
- sted1
Mark Sirangelo, named six weeks ago as special assistant to NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine, left the agency as NASA abandoned a reorganization plan due to a chilly reception on Capitol Hill, Bridenstine said in a statement.
- Too bad we destroyed all our how-to-get-to-the-mo... plans in the early 70s. We could have just fired up the rockets and headed back, now we want to go to Mars??robotron3k
- the idea of going to mars is as old, or older, than the moon missions ... many would say the moon mission was just phase 1 of a mars mission.monospaced
- conservatives were the ones who want to gut NASA, and this is an extension of thatmonospaced
- Mars is kinda useless, it's more of a impossible goal for future generations of space traveling robots.robotron3k
- Spoken like a true conservativemonospaced
- "Mars is kinda useless" - it truly takes a village to raise an idiot.utopian
- We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal...utopian
- ....will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept....utopian
- ....one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which - JFKutopian
- ********1
An interesting thing I have seen recently is the televised congress hearing or groups of private individuals. Most without any real meaning. Than we have supreme court justices. And almost everyone involved in these public platforms seem to be running for higher office. Or may I suggest the obvious that none of the show is out of a greater good, but to progress individual careers.
Now it's a two party system. In this case one party is political and the other media (right vs left means little). Ever since Trump trumped the debates never has media fully realized the true entertainment value. Look at NYtimes profits as what generates revenue. Hell MSM is mainstream media, not journalism. Its simply entertainment trying to sell fools on what it means to be "informed" which is mostly emo spoonfed garbage that caters to their base, or more so media "junkie".
But mostly this push to televise stuff I.e get mueller on tv really shows true intentions. i doubt any that would get to questions has an objective larger than their own. and i think this tv staging from mueller to kavanaugh is becoming very dangerous to society. Media is framing narratives in lowest common denominator stances don't reflect true nature of reality
Take for example the alabama abortion stuff. Yes maybe a larger shot at roe vs wade, but where is the objective stance in actual effects of the legislation. How many abortions per year. How many are involved due to rape or incest which is the largest pissed off factor? I think media as entertainment is all that matters for sales. and most just falling inline. None the wiser. Because simply they feel others are more qualified to tell them stuff that is important and know what is important.
always funny seeing how many who try to seem like they know alot, know actually little. but thats "experts" in our biz. Anyone believes theyre an expert has earned what they will receive.
- The experts have been replaced by pundits, and when an expert does get a platform, the lines have been blurred enough that their input has the same weight as aT-Dawg
- Pundit. And unfortunately nuanced debates have been replaced by quick sound byte punch/counterpunchesT-Dawg
- Which makes education and critical thinking so important for help in navigating through a lot of BS, sensationalism, and trickeryT-Dawg
- I'd think the solution probably lies in education rather than trying to change msm. Change the consumer and msm will follow.T-Dawg
- education is the foundation. however i think that system has been a part in how we view media. ive said it before and ill say it again i think postman nailed it********
- even our perception of education has been altered into following demogaoues at the front of the room and memorization vs critical thinking********
- and the monetization of colleges by private banking and enterprise due to the secured risk in loans by gov and public********
- has changed in how education is marketed and consumed********
- yescolin_s
- So, any ideas on improving the education system? Seems to me curriculum and funding are the two major things that would need to be addressed.T-Dawg
- funding not a huge issue. but curriculum has a ton of potential. i think we are looking at uber and tech and missing out on potential for education********
- what if people pursued edu privately? ignore all merit based on papers and real xp liek a trade school. why not open gig economy to any job edcuator********
- somehting i have noticed is todays work force is slow and terrible in the lower areas. out of college stuff is expected as a reward or shit for college.********
- get rid of the college paper shit that means little and push real opportunities. bring back unpaid internships, but remind those need no school********
- pay 40-80k and have to work an unpaid internship when someone doesnt have to pay that and can get the same thing...********
- why some people against unpaid internships in what they see as unfair competition.********
- I agree with you that a lot of focus & weight on 'academic achievement' doesn't necessarily translate to the economy or workforce in the best way.T-Dawg
- I think more technical programs are needed, and sort of like what you're mentioning, a closer tie-in to the workforce.T-Dawg
- Much like medical residencies, but spanning much more broadly through all fields.T-Dawg
- There's a lot to cover otherwise, it's a huge topic, but I think we recognize
A. the loan crisis
B. the work crisis
C. an uneducated voter baseT-Dawg - Are all issues that need a little bit of attention.T-Dawg
- need a lot more attention. but not in the way their is a magical fix, but highlight the problem has been the fixes********
- i'd be careful to suggest technical programs as a solution.. it could be in select in areas. I propose letting markets decide and freeing up opportunity********
- opportunity may come from a gov backed student loan for some, but at much larger costs for the whole. and since the policy has little to do with achievements********
- broadening opportunity and simply being a secured and protected source of debt for investment and easy gains********
- you will see a market shift selling it as great, and commodifying it as something simple as a a very expensive tshirt.********
- ********0
On a fun note. I was playing the numbers game and expect (for mono thermodynamic end of a system) that we are due for a super socialist shift. In as much a free higher edu will be a carrot for voters. Now looking at most states if free higher edu is a thing, what will that do to cities with higher education facilities? can they keep buying property as they do now to expand. Will it be dorms or will influx of people hurt rural areas while raising prices of urban areas drastically considering rent can be financed. Can a couple universities stand such influx? If we are going to truely make higher edu as part of the public system would we be open to hiring professors at HS and risking college people to mingle in highschools to partake in specific learning above high school level. After all what is public education financed needing college? Cant they just add 4 yrs to highschool on needed areas?
But of course none of what im saying is politically practical even though it functional and better on budgets
- There would still be capacities and qualifications and admissions.monospaced
- The only real change is funding would come from a different source. And of course this wouldn’t apply to every university. Probably only smaller onesmonospaced
- i think the long term consequences of such policies will have a larger long term effect than realized and mostly negative********
- right now i can say UNR is buying up everything, they and the hospitals seem to be the largest growers with what seems to be unlimited capital for purchases********
- like a tech unicorn... its not sustainable. its irrational and short lived, but if you see the capital flows and reasons for it you see the problems********
- You’re kinda missing the basis of it. Subsidized higher education won’t change admission rates or anything like that.monospaced
- And there are many ways schools get funding. You might know a little more and not resort to guessing had you gone to one.monospaced
- lol you think i didnt go to college. shit my tuition was paid. but you are missing the point********
- If college becomes a norm for every students covered. A basic learn yourself for free and what you want at others expenses..********
- you have to expect groing pains. So in the state of nevada how many poeple graduate per year? and considering 2 universities********
- assuming 95 percent at least take free college. means those need houses space and room.********
- creates an influx even collegles not ready for even with their unsustainbLE GROWTH********
- Now we have youth moving out of all rural areas for free education. what happens to thos rural areas? or things they provide now being manipulated********
- i think common sens eshould show its a stupid thing and perverse incentive that can cause huge harm********
- There would be no change in admission rates. Your entire point rests on a premise that doesn’t existmonospaced
- And yes. I question your education based entirely on your inability to write coherently and your disdain for the highly educated themselvesmonospaced
- of course there would be change in admission. econ 101. and it doesn't exist yet. its a thought experiment.********
- one that hasn't been ran by the people advocating for such policies, and should be a red flag in they have no idea what they are trying besides securing their********
- job. and i have no disdain for any educated person. clearly that should be obvious. what you mean is im highly skeptical of ppl trying to hide********
- behind titles or educational milestones as real education. a Doctorate or any paper is a word and paper to me. i dont apply value to it as others might********
- i encourage all to think that way and run from anyone who tries to call themselves an expert.********
- you should focus far less on my education and more on the substance. less on grammar or spelling and the idea communicated********
- focusing on those small displays a mind more for an assembly line. clearly you learned to value those areas more so than others.********
- why? and why did they stick? probably never asked, nor will you. not everyone is fit for certain roles.********
- you are happy to follow and fit for it. will you admit you just want a simple controlled life in a cage? be easy********
- you're still insisting that the capacity and admissions would change, but there's no inidication on this entire planet that would be the case ...monospaced
- your entire argument is based on this ASSumption, and it falls apart entirely because it's not a true one.monospaced
- If college is paid for, it doesn't mean everyone's automatically admitted, or that any university has to change its admission process...monospaced
- in all likeliness, the OPPOSITE of what you describe wuold happen: schools would be more stringent, and competition would be stronger over the limited spotsmonospaced
- IF I live in a cage, it's the same fucking cage you do. There is LITERALLY NOTHING you have done, or will ever do, to escape it. IF it's true.monospaced
- The only difference is that I am more educated and prpared for my future than you, as you've made that painfully obvious.monospaced
- I'm not focusing on your grammar and spelling mistakes, btw, I'm talking entirely about your proposition and coupling it with your obvious backgroundmonospaced
- What I'm not doing is making assumptions though. That's all you, little buddy boy. Enjoy your nonexistent retirement and pile of cash under your bed, LOL!monospaced
- haha. capacity and admissions wouldn't change if college was provided for... explain how more capital available capital doesn't change something?********
- it obviously would. If there is money being given away fro education standards would be gamed. evidence of this is in last housing crisis on easy loans.********
- there are very specific reasons edu and health are the largest growing sectors mainly due to gov funding********
- but if you want to play with the big boys in a thought experiment you need to provide substance than Nuh Uh like a crazy blakc chic long finger nails********
- you could try to provide any reason why colleges would turn down free federal money to fill their schools?********
- i dont believe there is one, but that is my point and you dont offer any rational reason why but "uh nuh" why you see its hard to take u seriously********
- and as far as preparedness goes for the future. im smart enough to know their is no good answer there. that those with plans dont know either********
- as the old greek dudes said real knowledge is knowing what you dont.********
- nb4
A funny paradox is that free higher education (so-called socialist policy) tends to benefit the people of a country more than the country as an entity.
America's system uniquely creates a vast hierarchy of schools and prices for education, putting many people into great debt. This debt motivates them to work very hard to attain a job they may not like, work longer hours, retire later, etc. This is one, small reason (of a great many reasons) why America is the biggest economy in the world. It's clear now that even while America's economy is stronger than ever, most Americans feel they are struggling and being left behind. The country itself is doing great, the citizens are not doing so well.
In other countries, education is relatively affordable. Students may not require debt at all, and those that do often can pay off their loans in a few years without a great loss to their quality of life. This system tends to benefit the people, but we see these countries tend to be less competitive globally.
The interesting paradox is that the country with the most "free market" education system seems to benefit the country as a whole, not the individual. The more "socialist" educational policies tend to benefit the individual.
- Of course, I'm only looking at a relatively brief moment in time, and we shouldn't assume that the current state of things is the absolute truth.nb
- And by 'country as an entity', you mean the 1%? ;)inv
- America offers education at different price points giving opportunity for all to learn... But in America you also don't need school to succeed.robotron3k
- Other countries are better at giving opportunity for all to learn.nb
- You can easily find examples of people who succeeded without advanced education. America is not unique in this regard. Nearly all countries can make this claim.nb
- No @inv I don't mean the 1%. When the American economy is strong, it benefits anyone with a job, a 401k, any investments at all.nb
- Stop blaming the 1% for your situation! America may not have equality and may not be fair, but you probably are doing very well compared to most of the globe.nb
- u are mistaken in conclusion. it is historically correct that free markets raise the "whole" while not all individuals achieve such benefits.********
- while socialist may benefit individuals equally and hurting the whole by holding the all down to certain criteria********
- but the benefit comes at the price of freedom to achieve. some people happy to be in cages with 3 square meals. but not all********
- but in free markets some individuals that happen to raise the whole will be sooo much better off than the rest. is that bad?********
- some also will be shysters and make fortunes while not raising the bar at all... also part of free markets...********
- i guess im curious mostly to why you think free markets raise the whole, but no benefit to an individual?********
- how can you raise any group with no individual benefitting? Doesnt make much sense********
- @deathboy Exactly. So who really benefits?inv
- I didn't say that no individuals benefit. Free higher education tends to benefit the individual on average. You're confusing "the whole" with "the country."nb
- The semantics in this argument are tricky. When I say "the country" I mean the nation as an entity in the global market.nb
- but you are igoring the individuals for the whole. u say free education benefits the individual on average... is that a measure of it being free or purely educa********
- tion. Im not sure how free education is defined in quality and substance and how it can benefit individuals better than paid education********
- but i still think i know what you are suggesting but its an error. economy and scholl/politics will nto work********
- its better they are separate. lets publicly fund edu defined by a dictator. or fund schools on right/let leaning polciies********
- it creates an un objective system. politics and edu should be far removed from one another********
- @inv who benefits... everyone. but some more than others********
- ********-1
On the trump impeachment "obstruction" charges. Can he be found guilty in obstruction when the entire case was all based on lies? Wouldn't that be more entrapment, or is it predatory procedure where you leave a escalade in a poor area with doors open and wait for a "car thief" opportunist to bust.
- The point of the investigation was to find out if Russia interfered in the election AND if Trump and his people had something to do with it.yuekit
- It wasn't made up just to make Trump look bad as you seem to be suggesting. But even if that was the case, you don't get to commit crimes just because you areyuekit
- what did he obstruct in regards to either item, yuekit?PonyBoy
- falsely accused of something.yuekit
- @PonyBoy haha lots of stuff apparently. Listen to the podcast I posted below, explains it all in great detail.yuekit
- what crimes?PonyBoy
- Are you even paying attention to reality or are you really hung up on that silliness in your podcast? A heavy reality has already set it... NO COLLUSION, ffs.PonyBoy
- The IDIOTS that used that moronic dossier are about to pay and you're still hung up on the 'new' cry for justice - 'obstruction'—time to get a grip ukit.PonyBoy
- *set inPonyBoy
- Ponyboy, consider the possibility that if you are getting your information on this from conservative news, it may not be the most accurate account.yuekit
- I'm not saying the "liberal media" has done a great job covering it either BTW.yuekit
- If we follow this premise, then should Manafort, Flynn, Stone, Gates, and the 30 others be absolved of their crimes? Or just the president?T-Dawg
- T-Dawg... this was all about 'Russian Collusion'... what one crime did anyone you just listed have to do w/Russia?PonyBoy
- My question was more for deathboy, but I'm not sure you understood what I'm asking. I'll try to clarify: Are the non-Russia related offenses still crimes?T-Dawg
- To put it another way, if we found that Trump murdered someone (just using an extreme example), but we found no rus collusion, should Trump be tried for murder?T-Dawg
- Or does that crime disappear because it wasn't in the context of the investigation?T-Dawg
- T-Dawg... you're describing the purpose / expected outcome of an actual 'witch hunt'. Dig dig and dig until you find something... it's pretty disgusting.PonyBoy
- And given that's all there is (process crimes)... it makes sense to investigate how this all began - and I don't think the left is going to like actual reality.PonyBoy
- How it began was that Russia actually did operate a hacking and propaganda campaign to elect Trump.yuekit
- You're saying that the U.S. SHOULDN'T have investigated that and tried to figure out what happened?yuekit
- Or they were too mean in investigating and holding people to account who lied to them? What do you think should have happened?yuekit
- Of course you investigate Russian fuckery—but those text between FBI guyz Page and Strzok tell a completely different story as to why the investigation beganPonyBoy
- https://www.washingt…PonyBoy
- whether or not you buy into the 'coup' conspiracy is up to you... but the conversations between those two do not show any giving a fuck about russiansPonyBoy
- Yeah but I don't think they were the ones responsible for triggering the Mueller investigation.yuekit
- Remember it started with Trump fired Comey and said it was "because of Russia" lol. Trump has no one to blame for the stupid investigation but himself.yuekit
- The bottom line is that the Russians did help get Trump elected, Trump's people met with them and he publicly called for them to hack his opponent.yuekit
- That's more than enough evidence to investigate, regardless of whether two people within the FBI were biased against Trump.yuekit
- Comey was fired over his handling of the Clinton email crap... Donny had plenty of recommendations / reasons to fire the guy besides that debaclePonyBoy
- https://www.theguard…yuekit
- ^ I don't think that's the only reason they did the investigation, but it's funny that Trump just comes out and says the worst possible thing for himself.yuekit
- What I see happening is that Trump has zero knowledge of the Constitution or how the law is supposed to work. And you have people around him in law enforcementyuekit
- who are trying to plan around that and figure out what to do. That then gets reported by conservative media as there being some sort of plot or "coup" againstyuekit
- Trump. Remember there was some guy high up in his administration (still unknown) who published an anonymous op ed in the NYT saying he ignores ordersyuekit
- because Trump is constantly asking him to break the law, violate the Constitution etc. That's the reality that is partly described in the Mueller report.yuekit
- Yeah... I've read and heard all that. The fact is the dude is anonymous so it could simply be you or me for all we know. I guess we hang tight and see.PonyBoy
- That's some unknown person in an op ed... Strzok and Page are a little less flimsy in terms of anonymity and proof of their actionsPonyBoy
- lol...I mean we can all see how Trump acts in public, you think in private he suddenly turns into this serious person with respect for the law?yuekit
- It's not just that op ed. Same thing has been reported by many people. Also documented extensively in the Mueller report.yuekit
- To get back to deathboy's post, we also have to take into account that the investigation was conducted by an independent committee.T-Dawg
- Overseen by a republican, appointed by a republican. So what is the incentive of an independent committee to entrap?T-Dawg
- Independant counsel, not committee. (it's late ;)T-Dawg
- wow. the way i understand it the steele dossier is the base for any collusion... bu the origins never tested********
- i have always (and never liked trump) never seen a single strand of reason that shows russia had any influence.********
- if the foundation and reasons for an investigation are fake as shit, and may be the bait to try and get someone to fuckup defending himself********
- im more concerned in this that defending trump, but if it is successful will we have these bullshit kangroo courst for future appointees********
- is this a new norm in political disruption. this is birthers certificate v2********
- yuekit i think you would like to desperately believe in the russia narrative. but the truth is MSM was wrong********
- has been and they suffered as much as other beleivers. they just had no relation or ability to accept********
- created boogeyman and half part rating half part sanity need to believe the shit they sell.********
- deathboy no offense but it seems like you never bother to look up the most basic facts before launching into these word salad opinion pieces :)yuekit
- Just to name one example, the Steele memo was not the basis of the investigation. So your entire premise there is wrong.yuekit
- Have a listen to the podcast I posted below if you would like to really understand what it was about (and what they were and weren't allowed to look into).yuekit
- i take no offense. fill me in. On what evidence was the russia narrative investigated than? I admit i dont follow much because i see it as all fake as birther********
- shit. but i do see things liek the mueller report hoping to vindicate but failing********
- lack of deatils in investigation, and charges brought out based on wether shit is true. i question the honey pot and bait********
- can obstruction exist in a case that turns out all false? it is a legitimate question********
- all the obstruction i have seen is based on on a narrative that has been proven false...save you millions and say it never made sense********
- but the question remains. and is this going to become common place?********
- I feel like I'm repeating myself here but the investigation was not launched with the premise that Trump was working with Russia.yuekit
- It was simply trying to find out what happened during the election with Russia's propaganda and hacking campaign.yuekit
- So your view is what, that the investigation shouldn't have happened at all? Trump was free to obstruct it and break the law because they didn't find anyyuekit
- evidence of him directly conspiring? Not clear what your actual argument is.yuekit
- This guy is a conservative but he seems to be more objective and focused on actual Constitutional issues:
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- i dont think obstruction charges can or should be held accountable when something is a fraud********
- How was it a fraud?yuekit
- Anyway you are just making up laws to make Trump look better at this point lol. There's no possibly legal theory that says you can obstruct an investigationyuekit
- because you personally think it's unfair. Who would be the one to decide that anyway?yuekit
- Yeah, fraud would be the wrong term. If Trump wants to counter the investigation it would be something like conspiracy or abuse of process.T-Dawg
- But then the burden of proof shifts to his lawyers to prove all, which is why he's got Barr setting up his own counter investigation to try and find evidence.T-Dawg
- But these 'process laws' i.e. lying to FBI/Congress are set in place for a reason. Without them there is no oversight or accountability to anyone in office.T-Dawg
- I'd bet zero members of the repub house or senate want those laws removed/changed, but they're all happy to play the media game until the next election.T-Dawg
- not trying to nitpick law but look at it from a larger common sense aspect. if we ignore the steeel dossier as investigation motive.. and jsut pure russia********
- we see russian click farms creating a shit ton of fake shit they have been doing for a long time. for a lot longer before the election...********
- we know this though a ton of adweek and traffic monitoring and gaming advertising shit in media buys.********
- we should also know it has little effect. step back you can see the absurdness in any real effectiveness of any click bait campaign. It is simply denial of********
- the reality of the situation. however the steele dossier is obviously prop and that is the narrative directed towards trump with wikileaks as cohersion********
- with the goal, i believe to make trump act wrongly for obstruction charges as a last ditch effort. instead of focusing on obstruction details im more looking at********
- the big picture. the puppet show on display and how asinine it is, and i cant help but see this russia charde to be soemthing more a kin to african countries or********
- poor more desperate nations. we dont even have shame or attempt to try to mask things with a high brow spin anymore********
- maybe fraud is not the right word. Maybe a charade as pretense for political aims no matter how irrational********
- yuekit0
This was a pretty good run down of what's actually in the Mueller Report. Too bad the media never bothers informing people about the details of this stuff.
- Fast forward to 19:00 if you want to get to the main part.yuekit
- What should be held trump accountable for? to me any obstruction has been stupidly defending dumb shit.********
- even at 19min your podcaster says no one trump related knowingly participated in any russia scheme...********
- anyone really still believe this narrative after 40 million and investigation that trump "obstructed". its as asinine as birther shit********
- assume birther are stupid rednecks not capable of reasoning but this shit show a tie to the two of simularity********
- Once again, the investigation was not based on the premise that Trump was a Russian agent...it was just trying to find out what happened.yuekit
- So your notion that it was then perfectly OK for Trump to obstruct and intimidate witnesses etc., really makes no sense at all.yuekit
- witnesses and pp involved in an investigation saying you are a russian agent based on what evidence?********
- it stupid to play into lies but can you be really responsivle for looking out for self interests in bs cases?********
- otr is it more a lock a dunb nigger up FOR falling for the empty escialade. just baiting those who know know better to make a better world********
- do you believe trump is a unwitting or witting russian agent? do you think russia had any sigificant involevment?********
- Listened today and it quite openly suggests Trump is the incompetent bully we believed, but the press did well to uncover more than we are led to believeIanbolton
- colin_s1
https://www.theguardian.com/worl…
"i'm gonna kill you to protect life!"
- 'In 2023 The Abortion War destroyed most of Alabama...'PhanLo
- nb5
In 2018 Fox News was rated by Nielsen as America's most watched cable network for the third consecutive year.
A hundred times a day Fox says things like "this is what the mainstream media doesn't want you to hear" and viewers eat it up. They're the main-est of the streams!
Meanwhile, they broadcast almost entirely pro-government stories and opinion editorial. Their Pro-Trump stand is promoting the ideals of the acting administration.
Consider this for a moment: The most-watched cable network is essentially the media arm of the government and is viewed entirely by people who are afraid of big government and media propaganda.
Unbelievable.
- like begets like.Gnash
- That's just what the MSM want you to believe.PhanLo
- I think I read somewhere that the average age of a Fox News viewer of is between 65-70. It makes a lot more sense when you realize their content is beingyuekit
- broadcast to that audience.yuekit
- Poll believer.robotron3k
- Show me one media outlet that doesn't take a sidePonyBoy
- it's a traprenderedred
- fox is a media company. media is about entertainment. https://medium.com/@…********
- best to read the book********
- lol, of course a trumptard would say that the poll of fox news' popularity is fake toomonospaced
- neverscared0
Austrian chancellor Sebastian Kurz ousted in no-confidence vote
Motion in parliament, backed by MPs from Social Democrats and far-right Freedom Party, follows video-sting scandal
- colin_s1
https://www.theguardian.com/worl…
ok so the headline and the subhead are super disturbing in the fact they don't seem to align at all
European elections: far-right 'surge' ends in a ripple
Record number of nationalists elected to parliament face struggle to form coherent bloc
like... it's still a RECORD NUMBER of nationalists - the fact that we're just allowing for this far right stuff as a given instead of constantly saying "yo this shit is fucked" ... but at least in america when the left is basically the center-right it's no wonder.
- Don't believe the media they are just working people up for profit and clicks.robotron3k
- Media constantly paints nationalism as a dirty word. What's wrong with looking after your own home, having some pride in it, trying to keep it up to standard?shapesalad
- When you go to nationalistic countries, it's a joy, to eat their food, experience their culture etc - Japan, Taiwan, China, South Korea, Portugal, Iceland...shapesalad
- ..Countries I've been to where they seem to be proud of their identity, customs and culture, history and foods.shapesalad
- Would be boring if every country on the planet was multicultural, multiracial, extreme left liberal: non-identity in a way.shapesalad
- Places like London and NY, where the latest fad revolves around restaurants posing up for Peruvian, or Taiwanese foods..shapesalad
- because those places have no single identity, melting pots, everything thrown in stew...shapesalad
- *popping upshapesalad
- ^ You're describing patriotism/nationali... in the most bland, general sense. Now substitute with the reality of a Trump or Bolsonaro type character, or theyuekit
- current Brexit mess in the UK, or the AFD in Germany. I don't think preserving the local cuisine has much to do with any of that.yuekit
- Granted would be nice if after being elected the "far right" simply went about naming additional local national holidays, setting up cultural museums etc, butyuekit
- not sure that's gonna happen :)yuekit
- To be precise. Even without reading the article the title makes sense.
It refers to a wave of nationalism in the elections and opposes it a ripple ...deadsperm - ... because the nationalist are unable to form a coherent block. I don't see how this could be disturbing.deadsperm
- Stating the fact that the nationalist are not able to establish a block is not downplaying the number of votes they got since it's stated in the main title.deadsperm
- Let's be clear: Europeans are very aware of what the the elections results represent in what concerns the public view of current affairs.deadsperm
