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- ukit0
Aaaand....600!
- ukit0
F*cking damn f*cking shit damn....*chews on sinewy dog leg*
- janne760
ah k. well all the best to you.. i am in quite dire straits to be honest.
- ukit0
That's not to say I'm not worried for the future...this whole country has indulged in a "live today, fuck tomorrow" mentality that cannot go on forever. I'm guilty as well.
- janne760
well, these are posts are really making me feel comfortable about tomorrow. i'll go to bed now..
'nite!
- robotron3k0
OH SNAP....!!! looks like Palin just pushed up her postion on the Repub ticket... it's now Palin-McCain!!! maybe Obama has nothing to worry about, it looks like the infighting has begun...
- Her voice is like sporks applied violently directly to my eyeballs...TheBlueOne
- does anyone actually think she sounds like she knows what she's talking about? ugh.monkeyshine
- That wouldn’t be hard – she’s not talking about anything.MrOneHundred
- She should have been a brain surgeon...BusterBoy
- ********0
I feel sorry for...... Alaska?
- TheBlueOne0
"Paulson and Bernanke have taken the lead not only from lawmakers but from President Bush. Bush has left direct management of the crisis to them and other advisers, and has limited his public remarks on the economy...While most lawmakers said they trust Bernanke's judgment, Frank said he was troubled to learn in the meeting Tuesday that Bernanke has legal authority to use the central bank's reserves, which total $888 billion, to make loans to any entity under any terms he deems economically justified."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp…
In the world's best apparent democracy we just handed over control of the entire economy to two guys nobody elected.
- ukit0
When no one is around Paulson shuts his office door and does a "white guy hip hop" routine to that Rick Ross song.
- TheBlueOne0
Forget the blatant lie and truth distortion, the ad itself is horrible. 1989 called and wants it's design back...
- well, it's getting harder and harder to find an enemy of Israel, people just aren't into it anymore...robotron3k
- haha wow..I actually thought that was an old ad until I saw Barack on it.tommyo
- jjoeth60
To the Libertarians:
While I don't completely agree with your view of a small government and leaving things up to personal responsibility, I do respect your opinions. My question is this... do you really think a third party would ever be an actual contender for presidency? Has this ever worked anywhere else? I'm asking because I don't know.
My guess is that in an election, one of the three parties will always get stomped down and the majority of votes will still come down to two. I do appreciate your support of a 3rd party candidate in the early stages of the race, because that's the only way they will be heard. But once it does come down to (mostly) two, shouldn't your vote go to the lesser of two evils?
Let me try a little scenario here and you can tell me if it's way off...
Let's say you're absolutely starving... like you haven’t eaten for weeks and you might die if you don’t eat something. You finally come across a place to eat that serves three foods: pizza, tuna, and peanut butter. It’s an easy choice, because you don't like tuna at all, you're extremely allergic to peanut butter, and you love pizza. But by the time you get up to order your pizza, they tell you they're all out. Do you just not eat even though you're starving and you don’t know when you’ll have another chance to eat? No, you have to eat the tuna that you don’t like because the peanut butter could kill you, and so could not eating.
Now, pardon the over-simplification... but most people are saying this is the most important election ever. Can we really afford to “not eat” by casting a vote for a third party or by not voting? You may not like the tuna right now (Obama), but seriously... the peanut butter (a potential President Palin) could fucking kill us.
- that's a great analogyBonSeff
- Well said, I agree completely!ukit
- wait for tommyo... the libertarian to show up, he'll figure it out!!!DrBombay
- the only thing on the inds of libertarians is taxes, that is it. there really is no issue besides taxes.DrBombay
- i dont know what the fuck you just said, but i am starving!********
- DcOctopus, if you think that all that Libertarians want is less taxes you should pick up a book.tommyo
- Where are the taxes in this statement again? He makes a damn good point.NONEIS
- sputnik20
no jjoeth6. that's why i'm a libertarian re: most of my ideas, but i'm a registered independent. i believe in voting for the best candidate, republican or democrat, and not voting along party lines. i research the candidate's stance on the issues which i feel are most important and decide that way. i was pretty sure i knew which direction to go towards until this last week with the economic issues.
regarding your last sentence, i know it's a matter of opinion, perspective and experience and i hope you can understand this: is it possible that obama is the peanut butter, and mccain/palin is the tuna? just throwing that out there.
- when i start with "no", that was an answer to whether a third party would be a contender.sputnik2
- what do you base this on, your stance on abortion?DrBombay
- first taxes and fiscal planning, second abortion (pro choice but not late-term) third gov't social programmes and so forth. it's not a short list.sputnik2
- ...a short list.sputnik2
- social programs curb crime: factDrBombay
- so does good parenting.tommyo
- you are against mandating anything. so your argument is a non-starter...DrBombay
- people need mandates to be good parents? haha shit I hope not or we're doomedtommyo
- ukit0
I like peanut butter
- ukit0
C'mon sputnik2....as someone who is on the fence, is it really a tough decision, after the last 8 years???
- sputnik20
with all respect ukit, i mean that, i've read a lot of your posts and i really don't want to go down this road to discuss this. you seem feel very strongly that some might be retarded to want to choose another 8 years of "the same shit".
- DrBombay0
here's the deal, abortions are the cat that has gotten out of the bag. You can't stop it, if all went one way it would go down to state's rights. so your northern states and california would allow abortions, so people in alabama (who could afford it) who wanted an abortion would fly to san francisco to get an abortion. you solved nothing. the cat is out of the bag, there is no going back.
- great way to motivate the uninformed though, I guess.DrBombay
- ukit0
OK, c'mon, I'm not that bad....am I?????
*looks around nervously*
- tommyo0
Well I can only speak for myself when I say this but here goes my take on that. This is so generalized it's laughable. I've got a ton of work to get to right now but I figured I'd try my best to answer it...and in the end I think a caveman could have written better engrish [sic].
The 'a third party candidate can never win so don't throw away your vote' logic is complete bs (as of right now). And it's only supported by the 'this is the most important election ever.' Thus giving voters no hope for a third party, coupled with urgency. Yes, obtaining a viable 3rd party would take time to develop. Every election is important to some degree, but long term is also very important. But I'd love to see a viable 3rd party candidate for a few reasons.
1. It's easy not to work together when it's Us vs Them, which is the case now. When the congress changes hands like it did in the middle of Clintons presidency as well as in 06 with Bush, you see how excited the politicians get. Now they've got the majority and they get to 'control.' Seems immature to me. It's like 2 kids and both of them are constantly fighting over who gets to sit up front in the car. You also see that the one party who isn't in control is always throwing stones at the one who is...good for us? No, I don't think so. Can you make good solid decisions if you're worried about your party canning you (like Lieberman was) because you vote for the other sides policies too much? Us vs Them is a bad idea, just look at this chatroom. If there are three parties, and we're just assuming for shits and giggles that they're pretty equal in their respective voting population then they're forced to work with each other no? I don't know, I'm not very well versed on branches of government so I'm shooting off the cuff here but it seems like it makes more sense for us, the people.
2. Same as 1, but for the voters. If I have three choices for president - then doesn't that kind of open the gates to allow us to choose the lesser of three evils? I did the math, yeah, three evils. Now we're roped into choosing one of two, and it almost always comes down to what party theology you believe in. Rarely do people switch sides right? Sure there are a select few but really, you only have two choices. So on November 4th you pick your guy and you always feel a little deflated because well, he's not perfect (you've watched 4 months of the other guy bash your guy on tv, but you feel okay with it because your guy bashed him right back for 4 months). It's fucking depressing is what it is, I want to pick the guy I think is BEST for the job. Maybe having 3 parties would present that guy, sorry, or girl. I don't know, I don't have all the answers other than knowing that 2 sides going after each other can't possibly be the best way to get solutions. Imagine working on a project for a client that has two contacts that you have to deal with and they don't like each others ideas, but the guy who can round up enough people in the office to choose his idea wins.
3. For the benefit of the Presidential candidates. Is anyone else here extremely saddened that this is the very first election to have a black man or a woman (not true, there was a woman who ran as vice president on a third party ticket) as a high ranking official? More positions available for a possible presidency means more possibility for diversity. (I actually would love a gay president just to shut up the neocons)
Anyways I guess the goal I'd love to see achieved is more openness to working together and less infighting amongst them. Will it happen, my magic 8 ball says no. Will a big spike in people who vote 3rd party scare the living shit out of the establishment? I think they'd take notice and at the very least hire more PR guys. :P
- DrBombay0
all you care about is taxation.