No God bus.....
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- kelpie0
"I find that people who yell "hypocrisy!" the most are often guilty of that very thing, but bugger them if they could see their own noses in front of their faces."
ok gramme, I like you so I'm not going to be a dick, just point a few things out:
A. These are specifically designed and funded as a response to the proliferation of hellfire and brimstone turbo-christian messages plastered on the back of buses all over the country. Funded by ordinary people who are fed up of the bluster of those messages anywhere.
B) The message on the athiest bus campaign is utterly reasonable by any definition. It makes no absolute claims and urges people simply to live calmly and try to be happy on their own terms.
C) no athiest bus drivers have ever refused to do their job because of the content of a religious ad on the side of their bus, and theuy'd get a proper going over and a P45 were they to try. fact.
- Khurram0
wtf? you can't take a shit these days without hitting a "I'm Jesus the light!" ad.
This is probably a publicity stunt by a sect of cross-worshippers stirring trouble.
They're also suing the advertising authority to prove the "probability" of god.
When these cross-worshippers act, they don't half make themselves heard...
- Khurram0
apparently, they had to say "probably no god" because the advertising authority said that it was false advertising because there was no certainty on the issue.
Well fuck me sideways if "Jesus is the saviour!" isn't false advertising by the same token.
Double standards i tell thee...
- gramme0
kelpie, I hear you but the above is a derailment from my point regarding hypocrisy. What I was addressing is the inconsistency in what angers people, if the shoe was on the other foot, moth et al would have different reactions.
I personally find most "Christian" advertising to be in poor taste. I think the Jesus fishes on cars are trite and crass, as well as bumper stickers like "my boss is a Jewish carpenter." But that is beside the point.
I am not advocating by any stretch of the imagination for censorship. The atheists are free to advertise, and God bless them in that pursuit. But I maintain that there is nothing wrong with boycotting something as a matter of personal conviction/conscience.
If my boss were to start working for Planned Parenthood, The Church of Scientology, or Dawkin's humanist group, I would submit my immediate resignation. That is not an act of censorship, but an act of personal conviction. If I were to stay an work on those projects, it would be at the very least an act of tacit endorsement. My boss would be free to work for the above organizations, but without my support.
- Khurram0
Twat's not resigning tho is he? He's got the bus company bent over backwards to let him drive buses without that sign.
Fuck that business. No one else would ever get away with that.
- CALLES0
well why dont you ask christ to teleport you there u f'ing brit
- gramme0
In other words, people should have as much or more freedom to boycott as they should to advertise whatsoever their hearts desire.
- gramme0
Oh bugger off Khurram. They do the same for atheist protesting a Christian ad, and you know it. Nobody wants to get sued, especially these days with shallower bank accounts all 'round.
- ukit0
I don't have a problem with the guy boycotting. Think about it, he is obviously serious about his belief. If you are religious, driving the No God bus could well be your one way ticket to the giant lake of fire.
- kelpie0
but he didn't quit, just took the day off in the huff. If he quit, fair enough, that's conviction. This is just trying to make a point and get his own way. This is something you just don't see in day to day life from The Atheists (I use the capitalisation popular among people who don't get the meaning of the word or concept and like to suggest that it is an alternative religious belief system, rather than a lack of belief) who are required to live in a world full of religious messages left right and centre, and witness people of faith consistently bending the rules we're all supposed to play by with one moral outrage after another.
So yeah, I get a bit testy; shut the fuck up and live in the same world the rest of us have to - you still have masses of undue influence on the world as it is. Move over.
- last para not specifically directed at you gramme.kelpie
- gramme0
I mostly agree ukit, but it would not a be a ticket to anywhere, since Christianity is not about what we do/did, but has everything to do with what Christ did and who HE is. He boycotted driving those buses because he felt that driving one of them would be a tacit endorsement. It's a matter of free speech more than anything else, imho.
- moth0
Gramme;
"but I have always said that a religion should be judged by the quality of its Scripture, and the relatively few adherents who really live by them."Pfft. Wow. You must believe that all gays are going to hell then. You a homophobe Gramme? You'd better fucking be or I'm going to call you a hypocrite.
- ukit0
BTW - this ad would NEVER run in the U.S. The busdriver quiting is peanuts compared to what would happen here. So those of you in the UK should be glad you live in a society that at least tolerates that level of questioning.
- pizzafire0
some years ago i told my boss ... "no, i don't want to work on this Mcdonalds ad. i think they are an awful company and this goes against my personal convictions". but of course, the boss didn't care and i ended up doing it anyway.
- Khurram0
We know how bad it is over in the US of A. But these cross-worshippers have been making in-roads in this country. And they're mounting a campaign against ads such as these. They've also been running more and more of their own ads in the last few years. It's like they're looking for a showdown.
- Nairn0
Whilst I don't actually respect his beliefs, I understand why the driver feels he has the right and would decide to not drive that bus. My problem is, as Kelpie has already stated, that this would not be acceptable behaviour for an atheist to engage in. We'd likely not hear about it in the press were it to happen for two reasons - Christian propaganda is simply accepted and there is comparatively no organisational coherence amongst atheists
for such a story to get spread through.Incidentally, from what I've read (don't have the source to hand) Dawkins was against the form of this campaign as being at once too inflammatory and facetious.
- kelpie0
good point. I designed the site for the G8 conference in perth a few years back. Did anyone give a fuck that I thought they were a bunch of money grabbing, world fucking turbo bastards? did they fuck.
I value my rent.
(on the other hand, had it been an abortion doctor and I cried "Jesus", I reckon the papers would have been all over me)
- this is a massively facetious joke, and probably unhelpfulkelpie
- gramme0
kelpie I get what atheists think the meaning of their worldview is, but I have yet to meet a person who believes in something. It's a fundamentally inescapable human trait, the act of belief that is. I don't believe in a God, so I must believe in myself and my own ability to be a good human being. When an atheist says that Christians mischaracterize their non-belief, they reveal a fundamental misunderstanding about the nature of belief and worship.