Shooting of the Day
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- pango0
let's look on the bright side... wait there isn't any...
20 kids and 8 adults are still dead. And this kinda thing happens wayyy too often.
one way or another someone's gonna have to give away something to keep everyone else safe.
which ever direction the government decide to take on they can alway give it a trial period. and let the statistic decide if it's really working and should continue same policy or not.
- oilpan0
"But one pattern holds true: The faster the weapon, the higher the body count. It's not politics. It's logistics."
http://mobile.slate.com/articles…
- youngdesigner0
There has to be a reason why mass shootings are so common now..and its not because of access to guns. People has guns 20, 30, 40, etc years ago, but it wasn't common for someone to shoot up schools, movie theaters, malls, etc. SO HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT? I keep hearing that we need to wipe out guns but can you explain to me why these acts are more frequent in today's age? We have now had three mass shooting sprees since July, two within a week.
There has to be a correlation of the current society/mentality to the acts we see today. This wasn't normal until recently yet people could get guns just as easily. So please, explain that.
- because "American" that's why!pango
- and also way more accessible to get faster and more powerful guns. And I bet the rate of people owning guns today is way higher than 40spango
- higher than 40s.pango
- can't use that "back in the good old days" logic now. cuz today is really different.pango
- seems like every kid in america is on some sort of mood-control drug. ADHD, Depression, anxiety. go off those pills and you go weird.monNom
- and for a while you end up weirder than you started.monNom
- i blame video games and the perverts who design them.ebertzjaw
- CoD cant be good for yaebertzjaw
- "People has guns ... ergo, derp ... HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT?" We can't.********
- youngdesigner0
I'm reading lots of comments but no answers except "blame America"
- exactly. if gun control like other countries is out of the option then the only thing to blame is that Americans don't know how to live peacefully together with guns.pango
- peacefully together with guns.pango
- who else are you going to blame?dijitaq
- Just because you read things doesn't mean you understand them pumpkin.********
- ********0
Im sickened that its on every news station getting every rubber necked person to watch. Shit happens move on. Could it be that the fact everyone wants to watch and talk about or pander and use it for their own motives creates a primary incentive for lunatics to go shoot up some shit. I cant get 100 million like on my youtube video to feel good about myself or express my self and get people to watch, well i might as well go shoot up some kids. It's the easiest attention grabbing thing u can do for instant warped idea of 15 minutes of fame with hope someone will make a movie out of it or talk about u. Ted Kaczynski had more tact. And every organization loves this shit to pander to what ever side they want for financial or emotional gains.
And as far as gun rights go it should be a mute point. Number one to own a gun is a right. That's about it. To defend the the stance of abolishing guns is to stand by the abolishment of liquer, to say gays have no rights to marry, that women have no freedom to choose, that you know better how someone should choose to live than they do. That just plain hypocrisy and ignorance.
And to the idea of regulation. A compromise on safety and freedom. Have all the strict rules in place made anything safer? Shit apparently still happens, and probably will still keep happening. Some regulations help and others just cost a lot of money. But I don't think regulation at all is a fault nor would i call for more so i can have a false sense of safety. If you think about it our prison system is a closed off uber secure system that fails to regulate drugs and violence. Why would anyone think better results could be had by regulation outside? Ban guns totally and you create an advantage for those who would do harm.
If anything i blame the media feeding us with our morbid fantasies to look at car wrecks.Maybe im apathetic or old school but really i dont care there was a shooting. Im not really interested in seeing it. I dont know the people and the only way i see it effect me is if it cuts down on my freedom. I prefer the news talk more about the mars rover or something of substance than just tragedy. watch some looney tunes or something but dont let hem fool you into thinking its a big deal. Hell the US has more civilian casualties in war activity than this everyday probably and we dont give a shit, so why make a pedestal for every homeland lunatic.
- youngdesigner0
I remember when Columbine happened and it rocked my world. It rocked all of us because we had never seen or heard of anything on that scale. Fast forward and this is becoming a common thing. School shootings, college shootings, movie theater shootings, mall shootings, etc. I never imagined that people in our society would decline this much.
You cannot tell me that there isn't some correlation between our current society's direction and the frequency of these shootings. Its not like people just discovered guns. There is a reason why these acts are occurring more frequently today than they did the past 50 to 60 years.
- lowimpakt0
"Have all the strict rules in place made anything safer?"
maybe?
- awe statistics and graphs. what was this firearm rule to protect kids anyways? And how bout the whole right thing?********
- or wait is it saying less rules less harm.... damn graphs********
- some statistics and analysis (whether right or wrong) is better than inane ramblingslowimpakt
- sometimes but depends on what you think is insane or sane. regardless stats usually only provide bias********
- this map seams familiar...sephil
- awe statistics and graphs. what was this firearm rule to protect kids anyways? And how bout the whole right thing?
- inteliboy0
Gun control is tight as fuck here in Australia. And it works. Even when most aussies want to get a gun and shoot stuff, they realise how much of a pain of the ass process it is and say "stuff that". Where as in America you can buy ammo at fucking Wall Mart.
- exactly! gun control doesn't mean you loose the right to owning a gun. it just means it takes more responsible and effort to get one.pango
- inteliboy0
and cygnus defensive reaction to all this is kind of disgusting. There's no "oh shit, this is bad, I love my guns but something is wrong here" no, none of that, it's all just rants about wanting to hunt for food. Right...
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- +1monospaced
- This tragedy is all about Cygnus and gun owners. What about their venison?********
- lowimpakt0
gun control is only part of the story too.
anyway, the situation is tragic. the whole world is reeling and something needs to happen.
- ukit20
Australia must have a very different culture in terms of guns. It's really hard to imagine any real restrictions on firearms being put into place here. The pressure from special interests groups like the NRA is so strong that even liberal politicians have pretty much given up on the issue on a national level.
- ukit20
I read about Australia's gun buyback program, it seems sensible but just can't imagine it happening in America. The right would go ballistic.
- ********0
i dont think anything needs to happen. Any desire for a need to happen seems like a false sense of security at a loss of rights. The rights part is the most important. If you want to ban guns youre no better than the conservative trying to ban gay marriage. Your means to justify safety of people is no better than theirs to justify the union of marriage. Its all personal and selfish. And still ahrd not to blame the motive the media creates. Im interested to hear what is said about this ones motive. Im pretty sure its for attention of some sort.
- how about gun control? you can still own a gun. it's just tougher. deadly weapons requires more effort to acquire.pango
- fair enough i say.pango
- fair enough but isnt there already a ton of that?********
- what regulation will will get good results while maintaining individual freedom that hasnt been proposed and done?********
- perhaps not enough? it's still way easier to get gun in the states than any other country.pango
- well most important thing is to maintain the "right to bear arms" but it doesn't say what type of arms. :P start with that perhaps.pango
- but at what cost to rights? and is the violent crime related to gun control or something else like media? Every country is different socially********
- different socially. Does aussies regard fame like americans do?********
- so different that american killed by guns are more than other countries exponentially.pango
- How is the aussie non fatal crime rate? Knives and the such. And im ok with background checks, especially for felons.********
- for felons. i just dont liek the panic call to ban all arms peopel fall into when this happens and the hypocrisy of it********
- well not all guns. Just those types specifically designed to kill a lot of people.pango
- I just hate the blind call for regulation wihtout any desire to understand the regulation or what it means but to feel satisfied something happened********
- use this as a template perhaps.pango
- http://www.qbn.com/t…pango
- this guy killed the kids with 2 9mms i heard on the news. wether that is true it seems liek sub machine gun regs wouldnt have helped********
- have helped********
- ya ya i agree. as long as the regulation maintains the "right to bear arms" everything should be fine.pango
- the japan route seems liek it benefits organizations that tax you for your right to own a gun. to lobbyist for me********
- it might help but seems to excessive for my taste personally********
- he purchase the gun with his mom's ID and license. i say that's a really loose regulation.pango
- i dont even own a gun. have thoguth about picking one up jsut for emergency. ahte to have to go through the japan hoops for such a thing********
- let's put aside lobbyist making money. they are already making tons of money keeping the regulation loose.pango
- style hoops for personal safety and thoguht of mind. of course id take course in gun control on my own********
- moms ID? didnt hear that but if thats the case than id say not a failure of regulation but of shop owner********
- well deadlier arms should definitely be tougher to get. I think pro gun and not so pro gun people can both agree with.pango
- Im on board with regualtion but not excessive tax and cost. A small inconvenience to prevetn crime of passion im ok with, but we have that..********
- we have that so i dont know********
- its tough walking the line of regualtion and deciding what u are comfortable with for freedom and neglecting what other sfeels free with********
- i know my own limits of regualtion but i cant say they are best. i can argue my reasons but in the end at soem level im a hypocrite********
- level im a hypocrite********
- the idea that violence is a preferred way to end a conflictyoungdesigner
- also the media plays a part hereyoungdesigner
- these guys that commit these acts are often loners or guys who feel isolated and ostracizedyoungdesigner
- and what better way to call attention to yourself by going out with a bangyoungdesigner
- there will be endless reports
journalists talking about who was so-and-so and what made him tickyoungdesigner - I dont know the answeryoungdesigner
- but I do know it is not in simply banning gunsyoungdesigner
- or making sure everyone has a gunyoungdesigner
- it's gonna take a lot more than thatyoungdesigner
- gotta sleep. i'll argue with you internet people tmr.pango
- last words... tougher regulation does not equal banning all guns.pango
- But why focus on regulation?youngdesigner
- This tragedy obviously had nothing to do with gun violence or laws, it had to do with a psychotic 'person' who went on a murder spree.youngdesigner
- went on a murder spree.youngdesigner
- Literally hundreds of gun homicides are committed daily, are not covered by the media.youngdesigner
- And these are usually the ones that are assosiated with the illegal firearm market and gun crime (gang shootings).youngdesigner
- People are using a terrible tragedy to take manipulate everyones emotions.youngdesigner
- Then they can put pressure on the president to push his bill through, and if he doesnt they will blame him.youngdesigner
- Now, the right wing nuts respong by throwing theyre flag in the air and suddenly, everyone is arguing about gun control.youngdesigner
- EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED.youngdesigner
- GeorgesII0
I was watching a documentary and the poster the guy in the upper left has pretty much explains it
- ********0
@pango
I get regulation doesnt mean no right to have guns. Im just highly speculative of the regulations and the people employing and pushing for the regulations. Im highly speculative if regulations is the problem or a social/culture issue. Im all down with hearing proposed regulations and looking for unintended consequences. Have a good night mang.
- lowimpakt0
can you suggest some unintended consequences of a control on guns?
- depends on the level of control. england has had a boost in knive activity. but hard to say if thats social or not.********
- provide the control and i can try to imagine the unintended consequence********
- let's start with an outright ban on the owning & sale of assault weapons and handgunslowimpakt
- well that would leave what shotguns? Would that lead to stomping on other rights? Would that lead to crim stats in increasign in what is allowed?********
- the weaponary that is allowed while giving edge to people who can get those guns.********
- depends on the level of control. england has had a boost in knive activity. but hard to say if thats social or not.
- Akagiyama0
Oh yay...as my co-workers (mainly those that are parents) were talking about this shooting....
Earlier tonight:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/…A man and woman were killed in a possible murder-suicide shooting Friday night near the Excalibur registration desk.
Police received a call about 8:30 p.m. that multiple shots had been fired at the casino and that two people were down.
Officers arriving in the main lobby area found a man dead in what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound. A woman was found shot and taken to University Medical Center in critical condition, where she was pronounced dead.
JFC. What the hell? :|
- CanHasQBN0
^ she should've carried a gun to protect herself.
or cars should be banned.
cookie engineer giraffe.
- teh0
If anyone has ever seen "the brave one."
This movie explains a lot also.