We are heading into a wall
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- benfal990
I need to explain myself i see. Dont have time right now, ill be back monday.
- ETM0
C'mon. All the people who keep preaching about oil and get on their high horses and are all "I don't own a car, I use public transportation" or "I bike", or "I drive a hybrid." That is excellent, and we ALL need to do more of that. But that doesn't eliminate your usage or carbon footprint. Gimme a break!! How much plastic shit, boated over from China do you have filling a closet? Do you know how far away your food is shipped? Your clothes? By boat then truck? How about food? 100 mile challenge?... virtually impossible. Most local ecologies can only grow a few types of fruits or vegetables, especially our northern one.
So we ALL need to reduce, but get out of my bloody ear with how we're killing the world while you enjoy your coal generated electricity, natural gas generated heat and type to me on your computer made of plastics (petroleum product) and precious metals (gold, silver) shipped to a dock in China by truck, boated over, then driven to your store or delivered to you door by fuel. It's not realistic. Come up with something real and substantial for people to do. Most of these documentaries just fear monger, not help people change. If we hit a wall in petroleum generation and consumption, how much have you really ACTUALLY done? How much energy do you waste with your computer running while you fap to ScarJo pics? :)
Preach to me by carrier pigeon when you are picking berries in the woods and snaring rabbits, wearing a loin cloth that wasn't made in Bangladesh and I will afford you all the credit and merit I can offer.
Until then, lets all do realistic carbon reduction methods that actually help and not preach BS that achieves nothing. I am guilty of EVERYTHING I mention above, I recognize that. I work to reduce that. Drive less, buy less consumer goods, more local products. But in the end, you can;t live a modern lifestyle and not be a hyprocrit. Best recognize that.
End rant.
- you lost me at carbon footprint,
now I'll go kill myself a dolphinGeorgesIV
- you lost me at carbon footprint,
- ukit20
Look on the bright side, even if we are destroying the world's resources and reducing it to an uninhabitable hellhole, at least all of us were born at exactly the right time to reap all the gains from this orgy of resource depletion. If it's all downhill from here then by any rational measure we are living at the best time in human history.
We're the equivalent of the guy who has taken multiple doses of coke and ecstasy on a reckless bender across town at three in the morning. Our kids and/or grand kids will be the same guy the morning after with a severe hangover and multiple court summons.
- i_monk0
Nobody talks about peak food.
- ESKEMA0
The point of the movie is not about oil moderation, it's about Exponential Growth. There's no room for everyone at this rate.
- As my earlier post stated. They said the same thing in the 70's, both about food and oil.ETM
- Said we couldn't possibly sustain 6 billion and we are at over 7 now.ETM
- But this is getting bigger and bigger.... Too much humanz on this tiny Earth, its exponantialbenfal99
- ETM's logic is we were wrong in the 70s and we are still wrong and will ever be.benfal99
- Not true. you can fit the whole planets population in australia easy..yurimon
- Lol, right. Good luck with the W.C.benfal99
- No my logic is that projections are often wrong. There are many more. 70's was a recent one.ETM
- The 70's was also a peak of energy consumption and pollution. It's a good reference.ETM
- Don;t be afraid to learn some fucking history before forming your band wagon opinions (per normal).ETM
- benfal990
Eskema is right, the point is exponential growth. Thats exactly what happend on Easter Island at a very small scale, too much people used too much ressources leading to a collapse of the society and extinction (see Jared Diamond theory)
- easter island? i'm not saying it was aliens..._niko
- benfal, you know that's only a theory right?.. and this planet is a lot fuckn bigger than easter island... anyways, I'll log off nowGeorgesIV
- http://files.aboveto…ETM
- the tree/resource theory was nearly debunked, actuallymonospaced
- zarkonite0
Actually, the human population is perfectly sustainable. Unless you want to argue with Hans Rosling.
http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_ro…We are also consuming less energy per capita then we were 20 years ago, there are TONNES of assumptions and outright factual errors in this "documentary". I'd call it more an opinion piece or propaganda film personally...
- benfal990
Ok. We are all right then. Oil is good and agriculture and all the ressources are perfectly managed.
Cant wait for the new iPhone! :D
- there is a new iphone? link?autoflavour
- Well what? Are electric cars the perfect answer? So less oil and far more coal? Is that better?ETM
- Electricity is dirty too. Not near as much hydro generation as you might hope. Mostly coal, some nuclear.ETM
- i dont say something else is better. I just said we're kinda fucked.benfal99
- Well, that's pointless. Useful people look for answers, in their own life, or on larger scales to help.ETM
- Dillinger0
Looks like I picked the wrong day to start wearing see through tights. wait what.
- mekk0
- Beeswax0
I probably have 50 years at most left on this planet, so adios Loosers!
- zarkonite0
"Ok. We are all right then. Oil is good and agriculture and all the ressources are perfectly managed. Cant wait for the new iPhone! :D"
Ben, is there no room at all for subtlety in your opinion? We're either totally fucked or we're going to be perfectly ok?? you sound like George W. Bush.
There are definitely some challenges with the way we manage our economy and utilize resources but we have the capacity to modify our ways and innovate on other fronts, there's no impeding doom because everyone wants to survive and when faced with problems we have so far managed to last a few thousand years.
- I think that was sarcasm, or whatever it's called..ESKEMA
