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- nudes7
click bait ... this has nothing to do with dark web
- Morning_star0
I hoped it could be different but it seems that some that are cloaked in the dogma of the left have contributed little to nothing to this thread apart from snarky comments, dismissive assumptions and preformed conclusions. The certainty in which the opponents of the IDW dismiss the arguments without a morsel of counter debate, fact or reference reminds me of the Sunday faithful - all bluster and judgement with little to no substance.
The consistent insistence that anyone to the right of their political coterie is a nazi is just retarded. Trying to paint everything Center or Right as Far-right makes me think that there is no coherent ideology just bitching and moaning. Just because you claim something and say it over and over again does not make it true. Especially when the targets of those claims actually tell you exactly what their political ideologies are.
Why does it seem to be so difficult to listen and acknowledge a differing opinion with resorting to name calling and baseless labelling? Maybe we are reaping the fallout of identity politics and collective responsibility.
I can’t remember who made the point but it’s puzzling that we acknowledge what happens and have a plethora of names and insults for when the right goes to far - Facist, Nazi etc etc. We acknowledge the horrors of holocaust and the SS, The Black Shirts, KKK, EDL - yet there seems to be no equivalent on the fleft yet its mountain of dead dwarfs that of the right.
- Welcome all, let your thoughts flow like water.Fax_Benson
- ideology is a really difficult thing to address. most people can't acknowledge their own bias to entertain a discussion of something contrary. and it doesn'tMrAbominable
- hurt that MSM is filled with aggressive garbage designed to be divisive with the volume on 11.
Which brings us back to Dork Web. Very much not MSM; not on 11.MrAbominable - this is a powerhouse of a post.inteliboy
- Expecting a point by point rebuttal is a bit unrealistic when the opener was "what do you think of this vague movement" (which you would have to admit has ayuekit
- rather cringey and pretentious name).yuekit
- Of course there are intelligent people on the right, however personally I find Jordan Peterson in particular to be extremely overrated.yuekit
- Moring, aren't you doing the very thing you accuses others of doing? 4 paragraphs and not much is said other than frustration at no-labels for off the wall leftpr2
- The interpretation that Nazi or fascism is right is a lie. It's as left as you get. Total govt control. Often emmulated on this website with speech and mobs.Hayoth
- The left have eaten themselves. They have lost their vision. They have pretty much guaranteed they will not be in power for a very long time.severian
- Hayoth. Nothing about this site has ANYTHING to do with government control. You sound so childish and naive it’s almost insane.monospaced
- Hayoth has got be a troll...I hope :/yuekit
- Nope. He is sincerely that confused. Typical of his political demographic actually.monospaced
- Morning_star0
@pr2... and everyone else
I started off asking for alternative perspectives/views/opinions from the ones i've been absorbing lately, the majority of which are projected by the (yes, cringey and pretentiously named) IDW. I asked here at QBN because I can't find coherent and considered rebuttals of their myriad views, only name calling, lies and misrepresentations. It's important to me to understand all perspectives and this place, through all of it's faults, is usually pretty switched on, diverse and intelligent.
I take your point about the my lack of contribution. Something I’ve been enjoying which attempts to bridge a gap between some IDW ideas and the left is a YouTube/Podcast broadcast by a group called Rebel Wisdom [https://www.rebelwisdom.co.uk... They include an ex producer from Channel 4 and one-time colleague of the infamous Cathy Newman. They’ve made a series of documentaries that try to unpack Petersons rise to fame and his debates with Sam Harris. They’ve not got a huge amount of content but it goes some way to providing a critical and alternative perspective.
Help me out here, show me where the honest discussion is happening at the same depths and consideration that the IDW seem to take. It’s difficult to create a balanced perspective when I can only find shallow, inaccurate and reactionary content from the other side.
- You're asking for rebuttal of IDW, however IDW isn't really an ideological construct to be rebutted. The thing that loosely holds it together is 'format'.MrAbominable
- Asking for a critique of Petersen seems to be a large part of what you're intrigued by. I'm sure he wouldn't take himself as the norm for the congregation.MrAbominable
- You're right the IDW is a loose collection of fairly disperate folk without one ideology. But the cricism by the left of any of the members is alway the same.Morning_star
- Specifically, lets start with intelligent rebuttal of Petersons and Harris's ideas regarding Marxism, The Wage Gap and Charles Murrays Bell Curve..Morning_star
- totes. i'm sympathetic to your position on this. hope you're not taking my banter as opposition. there's room for dialogue and more than one pov in the worldMrAbominable
- Why do you expect full rebuttals of IDW ideologies on QBN? It’s almost like you’re just challenging the community or complaining about something.monospaced
- To a certain extent I am challenging the community. There are some mighty fine brains who visit here who’s views I respect but don’t agree with. I read...Morning_star
- ... the opinions here and find them on the whole pretty measured. I was hoping for a little direction to where I might find a robust, considered apposing view.Morning_star
- If it’s not an appropriate place to challenge these views then I’ve misjudged the community. Apologies.Morning_star
- I see.monospaced
- As you point out it's a loose collection of views. My meta-critique is that the focus on the PC left as the biggest threat is misplaced. There are real issuesyuekit
- in the world. To name one, 20,000 people are estimated to die of hunger every day due to extreme poverty. Political correctness is very much a "first worldyuekit
- problem" by comparison. So to spend all your time talking about that, especially at a time when people like Trump are in power, seems like a mistake.yuekit
- Yuekit, That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen on here for some time.Morning_star
- Hey you asked for open discussion and debate. Do you genuinely see political correctness and activists on college campuses as one of the biggestyuekit
- issues of our time? Personally I think it's overblown, and especially misguided if that's the thing that leads people to align with conservatism.yuekit
- If you think all this is, is belittling SJWs and College Campus politics (none of which I’m interested in) you know very little of what the IDW are about.Morning_star
- Hmmm isn't that why people like Jordan Peterson and Bret Weinstein are famous in the first place though?yuekit
- If it's not that, then what would you say is the unifying principle between all these people? What's the main point of disagreement with the mainstream "left"?yuekit
- One of the unifying principles is this..Big questions can only be explored with open-minded, self-reflective, grounded discussions with those we disagree with.Morning_star
- The recent debate between Peterson & Harris regarding Free Will is exactly one of those big questions.Morning_star
- The issues the have with the Left and Universities (and i'm speculating) is that they won't engage, under any circumstances. When invited to discuss and...Morning_star
- ...and explore these big questions the response has been to try and categories Harris et al as the far right or homophobic. Thus the negative reaction on campusMorning_star
- There's a YouTube channel I enjoy called rationality rules, which has 4 or 5 videos deconstructing Peterson arguments simply from a logic/fallacy perspective.T-Dawg
- I find them interesting because they examine ideas without getting caught in the emotion of political affiliation.T-Dawg
- ^ Yeah there are actually a lot of good videos on YouTube debunking Peterson. Not necessarily from the left, but from people in the skeptic community.yuekit
- Thanks T-Dwog. I'll have a look. Any recommendations Yuekit?Morning_star
- Sorry T-Dawg (monday morning fingers are not dialled in yet)Morning_star
- Hmmm... check out the debate Peterson did with Matt Dillahunty. I thought he did a pretty good job showing how Peterson's ideas about truth and religionyuekit
- are a bit incoherent.
https://www.youtube.…yuekit - i've think i've seen that, i'm gonna give it another look, Thanks.Morning_star
- it was a great talk, here's the version with better sound
https://www.youtube.…fadein11
- renderedred3
- Hahahaha - Finland Doesn't Existjmckinno
- this is great lolfadein11
- well, that's an hour gone in no time.Fax_Benson
- This shit is why I love Hellboy, bprd and xfiles._niko
- and the original coast to coast AM with Art Bell_niko
- omfg, this is hilariousmonospaced
- ahah thats awesome :Dsted
- Door Dogs?mekk
- 'Eggless travel' and 'Trees are mammals'... I fuckin knew it.Morning_star
- Tier 0 (Rebirth):
Pornstars leaching your energymonospaced - Tier 0: All conspiracies are true. There are no conspiracy.renderedred
- *is :)renderedred
- Arnold's Real Height, LOLzarkonite
- Lol @ downvotefadein11
- who the fuck is downvoting this?kingsteven
- ^the intellectual dark web has spoken :)renderedred
- Tier 5: Russian Crime Dungeons - Who wrote this?!?! LOLjmckinno
- Yurimon was probably preparing to graduate to Tier 6, when last we saw him.Continuity
- JFK shot himselfpablo28
- My google is gonna be confused as hell in 2 hourslajj
- 'Eggless travel'
https://www.youtube.…
lolwtfBluejam - PANCREAS DENIALstoplying
- yees! pancreas denial!renderedred
- Dead Rabbit Radio - Grand Soy Unified Theory: Explained
https://www.youtube.…renderedred - tier 9: despair code
https://www.youtube.…renderedred - this is destroying my search history!!sarahfailin
- While this does make one smile, the comments are interesting that most of you all are concerned about your cooperate search history!mugwart
- Morning_star-8
If you've got a few hours, this is a fascinating discussion. Both Peterson and Harris genuinely seem to striving for common understanding and progression.
- Jeez, What's with the fucking down vote? There's no finer way to show ignorance and cowardice.Morning_star
- maybe somebody has watched it and doesn't like it. Or doesn't like them in general. what does it matter?Fax_Benson
- upvoting without having watched it is equally pointless.Fax_Benson
- plus ça change.Morning_star
- It's cool that there are interesting discussioins online. I just don't understand the aggression.Fax_Benson
- There are finer ways to show ignorance and cowardiceFax_Benson
- I could explain Fax but ultimately you're right, it really doesn't matter. I should be more charitable.Morning_star
- Someone downvotes all postsdrgs
- someone posted an article from the person that recruited Peterson and their regret in doing so. anyway... the guy is a bit...shapesalad
- downvoted simply for the notesimbecile
- Peterson is fine when talking about tidying up cupboards, but he believes in sky gods so can't take him seriously.PhanLo
- Are you sure PhanLo ? Because in these two videos (and any other source you care to ignore) he goes to great lengths to explain that he doesn't.Morning_star
- Wee why did he waste 30 minutes of my time skirting round the subject in previous discussions? I'll give the talk a listen and see what he has to say.PhanLo
- thanks for adding this M_s. Had been hearing about these and glad for the glimpse.MrAbominable
- there's a talk below (which is great actually aside from peterson losing his knickers when his arguments are dismantled) where he yet again discusses thefadein11
- importance of sky Gods.fadein11
- I don't think he does Fadein11. His focus is on the utility of myth as a carrier of survival truth. He focusses on Christianity because he believes that it's..Morning_star
- ...myths/narratives... are the most appropriate and considered from the western perspective. He talks very little about god.Morning_star
- Peterson discusses the importance of the narratives we've built around 'sky gods' not the sky gods themselves. He's trying to break down those stories as they..Ianbolton
- explain what it was to be human hundreds of years ago. They were one of the main reasons we could collaborate and work together as a speciesIanbolton
- So I think some of those stories have shaped who we are today, so why not try and dissect them, trying to understand more about human behaviourIanbolton
- yep indeed that's what I said isn't it? I didn't say he believed in them. Was that directed at Phanlo?fadein11
- @ian, I completely agree, and it's been looked at a great deal prior to Peterson. He falls apart in the video below when he connects ethics to said beliefs.fadein11
- I do enjoy what he has to say on those subjects though, which is a bitter pill to swallow considering I disagree with so much other stuff he says.fadein11
- lol at the downvote triggeringernexbcn
- Salarrue3
"Social media, the narcotic we were already all addicted to, now did double duty as an outrage amplifier and disseminator of half-truths."
https://medium.com/s/greatescape…
- _niko7
I've been listening to Jordan Peterson for a while now and he's very difficult to follow. He meanders and talks 500% more than he needs to, to finally get to a point. Most of his speech is unnecessary filler.
Also, He's not funny and probably takes himself too seriously.
Someone who I do enjoy is Steven Fry. So well spoken so eloquent and poetic in his delivery, also quite witty.
- < Steven Fry is a Comedian and an Actor. So...probably better at comedy.MrAbominable
- Steven Fry certainly doesn't take himself too seriously... :|Nairn
- @_niko, if you are looking for something short, concise and entertaining may i suggest you try Nickelodoen.Morning_star
- don't get me wrong I enjoy him smart ass lol but watching the munk debates when he was on the same team as fry, i found myself enjoying fry more that's all_niko
- He makes some good points but he never laughs, ever. Never trust a man who never laughs.********
- I mean I watched him for 3 hours on Joe Rogan and he didn't really laugh once, or barely even smile. He's quite clearly deeply unhappy and insecure********
- Which is fair enough and all but I don't really want to be listening to life advice from someone like that.********
- Yeah, that is a bit weird. Literally no amusement shown at all. Maybe he's cracking dick jokes and larking around off stageFax_Benson
- scruffics6
Intellectual. Dark. Web.
lol
- Like the description Heavy. Metal. it's just a made up name that the media have picked up on. The journalist Bari Weiss used it first in an article in the NYT.Morning_star
- I'm glad it's brought you some fleeting amusement. Jog on.Morning_star
- shapesalad5
Intellectual dark web = a large group of stupid people?
Or a large group of Intellectuals?
- It is neither a 'large' group or according to Cipolla's definition, 'stupid'.Morning_star
- and the masses that follow "conventional" news are any different ;-)mugwart
- Morning_star-1
Listen if you dare (not really, it's quite apt subject matter in the light of the recent 'Pic of the day' furore).
#137 - SAFE SPACE
This week Sam Harris talks to Jonathan Haidt with topics that include How to fuck your kids up, University Campus Craziness and the 3 Great Untruths:
1. What doesn't kill you makes you weaker.
2. Always trust your feelings.
3. Life is a battle between good people and evil people.https://samharris.org/podcasts/1…
[I guess there will be those that won't listen out of unfounded preconceived prejudices, if you do manage to grab a listen it would be good to talk about some of the concepts put forward.]
- [guilt disclaimer]BonSeff
- No guilt here Bon. More of a challenge.Morning_star
- was a good one this.inteliboy
- Morning_star-6
For those that were interested.
Part 3 of the Harris/Peterson debate.- "jesus smuggling" niceGnash
- "Tripwires set across the culture" great way to put itcannonball1978
- Morning_star-5
"We may be in the throes of the discovery that the only thing worse than Religion, is it's absence. "
Peterson/Harris : Part 4
- Morning_star-6
Hey kids, take a step outside of your echo chamber.
Contains measured perspective and some rational insight into the IDW.
- I was about to have lunch but I'll skip that and take 2 hours of my day to stay woke.
Thanks!******** - Dude, I wouldn't bother. You seem comforted by the knowledge you're right.Morning_star
- are these people paid by the word? 4 mins in and guy on the right has introduced 2 unnecessary metaphors to explain something straightforward which the guy onFax_Benson
- the left explains in plain English. It's like a vampire. It's like a shell. No it isn't.Fax_Benson
- Dude, I was 20" in and went to take a pee break. You're taking this the wrong way.********
- I know I've been living a lie all of life. I'm glad this stuff is available for everybody on the web. Kudos!********
- @Fax_Benson, you need to watch the whole thing, man! You've been conditioned to only take in tidbits. I'm 20 minutes in and it's just warming up.********
- Apologies, SOR.Morning_star
- rubin is annoying. spends 90% of his time complaining about the people complaining about him.inteliboy
- "step outside your echo chamber" = "step inside my echo chamber"i_monk
- I was about to have lunch but I'll skip that and take 2 hours of my day to stay woke.
- BonSeff0
- Jordan On the Cider https://www.youtube.…PhanLo
- Haven't watched as I hate Kermit voice, but is this his made up story about being awake for 2 weeks after drinking cider vinegar lol?fadein11
- Morning_star-6
"...There are many legitimate reasons to disagree with him [Peterson] on a number of subjects, and many people of good will do. But there is no coherent reason for the left’s obliterating and irrational hatred of Jordan Peterson."
- There's no reason to be drawn into and perpetuate the Peterson wars at all. It's so boring.Fax_Benson
- Sorry Fax, I find it fascinating. Not him particularly, but the polarised reaction he (and others) attract.Morning_star
- I'm not sure many sensible people on 'the left' pay him that much attention anymore do they? He's getting paid and that's all that matters to him.fadein11
- the fringes are always irrational and incoherent.Gnash
- I’m reading between the lines here Fadein11 but your comment seems to suggest he’s an irrational profiteer. Why?Morning_star
- lol at expecting any thoughtful insight form fadein. just look it up vox or guardian if you want his opinion.Gnash
- Write more books, less overpriced echochamber speaking tours, academics produce work don't they, when it becomes about the man not the ideas warningfadein11
- bells go off, no? I may be wrong of course. Off on a tangent but like Set said recently, why trust someone who you have never seen smilefadein11
- oh gnash, why are you so triggered by me lol, did I hit a nerve. Off to the transgender outrage thread with you lol!fadein11
- Morning_star you seem to be coming from the perspective that all this stuff is incredibly challenging and mind blowing for the "left" to absorb. When in fact...yuekit
- ^ played yourselfGnash
- just speaking for myself here...I find someone like Peterson to be really tedious and overrated. There are good and interesting conservative thinkers out there,yuekit
- but Peterson's not one of them IMO. Sure he's popular but there are lots of popular things and fads out there that are really mediocre.yuekit
- ^ agreed, yuekit.Gnash
- yuekit is often the voice of reason on herefadein11
- you're the conversational equivalent of a sand-flea.Gnash
- I don't disagree Yuekit but peppering yours and Fadeins responses are inaccuracies left over from the initial hullabaloo that brought him to prominence. He's...Morning_star
- ...not a conservative and he's only written two books. The things i like about him and the other IDW characters is that they are popularising long-form public..Morning_star
- ...discussion that challenges the lazy, soundbite, factless announcements that are the currency of the latest generation of communicators/influe...Morning_star
- ...influencers. I agree with some of his views, i disagree with others. Yet, the discussions with S Harris I thought were fantasitic. You just never see this...Morning_star
- ...type of public discussion/thinking. I think its healthy and should be encourages. Even Ted is limited to twenty minutes.Morning_star
- what was the initial hullabaloo that brought him to prominence out of interest?fadein11
- His opposition to the Canadian Bill C16.Morning_star
- Which if we look at it closely was misinterpreted nonsensical outrage no?fadein11
- Not sure I understand. Petersons opposition was valid. And the reaction from those he was criticising was one of nonsensical outrage. Is that what you meant?Morning_star
- No, I thought this was prett clear at the time, he had misinterpreted the law/bill (excuse my I am not a legal professional) as prosecution could only applyfadein11
- when in conjunction with a hate crime. This or similar is what I have read numerous times since. Excuse me if my terminology is wrong though, as I say I am notfadein11
- a legal professional. He sure rode the wave of it though, that I can agree on. Nothing like PC issues to stir the pot.fadein11
- pretty* me*fadein11
- JPs stance was overly principled. However, his argument (i think) was valid. The Canadian Gov was legislating on compelled speech. Speech you MUST use...Morning_star
- ...not words you MUST NOT say. He felt they overstepped the mark under the influence of a Social Justice agenda.Morning_star
- I get it was about the precedent it set but in reality it didn't really did it, a bit of a storm in a teacup in the scheme of things.fadein11
- you've no idea what you're talking about fadein. you're just regurgitating what you've read from your 3rd hand, triggered sources.Gnash
- once again, expressing not a single original opinion. that's why you can't quite explain it. not because you're not a legal expert,Gnash
- but because you're just aping anothers opinion without quite understanding it.Gnash
- I must have been brainwashed by the liberal media too because I heard the same thing :) What was the net impact of this law? How many people have been chargedyuekit
- for using the wrong pronoun in the years since it's been in effect?yuekit
- If the answers are "nothing" and "no one", then surely it is a bit of a tempest in a teapot.yuekit
- What is written into Canadian law is compelled speech - a fundamental erosion of the principle of freedom of speech. If you don't think that is worth...Morning_star
- ...resisting then so be it. I think his principled approach is justified, if a little too ernest.Morning_star
- "Compelled speech" is just a term Peterson himself came up with, isn't it? It's not anywhere in the law itself to my knowledge.yuekit
- Laws are often written vaguely enough that they can be subject to different interpretations. Peterson's critics always maintained that he was exaggerating andyuekit
- misleading people about what this particular law actually meant. Based on what I can tell, the lack of any realworld impact would seem to vindicate his critics.yuekit
- Compelled Speech: - https://en.wikipedia…Morning_star
- If that's the case Yuekit, what is the point of the law? other than to placate the idealogical social justice types and make Trudeaux look lovely. It's not...Morning_star
- ...a trivial thing to build compelled speech legislation in to law.Morning_star
- Morning_star did you not read your own link? It talks about how Jordan Peterson invented and popularized the term.yuekit
- According to its proponents, this law was simply adding gender identity into existing hate crime laws.yuekit
- You can agree or disagree with that goal but the idea that it was some kind of terrible blow against free speech isn't supported by the results AFAIK.yuekit
- I have read the link and nowhere does it sate that JP invented the term. I'm not sure what your point is? He made his argument from a position of principle,..Morning_star
- ...i'm not sure that the results are relevant. If anything they support his assertion that the law was necessary.Morning_star
- ..*UNnecessaryMorning_star
- He didn't just say unnecessary, he claimed it would force him to use certain words, which wasn't true.yuekit
- No comment, I don't have an original thought lolfadein11
- about time.Gnash
- I'll get into this if you want Yuekit. But you seem to have done some research so you must be aware that his objections were multi faceted and not just an...Morning_star
- ..opposition to the compelled speech element. He had objections regarding the accuracy of the claim that gender is fluid plus he disagreed with the president...Morning_star
- ...it would set for future legislation amongst other things. One of his arguments is that language evolves to accommodate the 'new' and therefore the law...Morning_star
- ...would be unnecessary.Morning_star
- I watched this controversy transform from a slow-news-day local story (i live in toronto) to the epic nonsense it's become.Gnash
- even legal experts that support c-16 do not defend the law, they simply downplay it's effects. which is, yet again, what's going on hereGnash
- the same old, oft aped trope.Gnash
- it became a controversy because the histrionic meltdowns offered newsworthy footage for our networksGnash
- Much like Channel 4s meltdown after the Cathy Newman interview. I still think that most people have a fundamental misunderstanding of him and feel they...Morning_star
- ...can catch him out with a few 'difficult' questions.Morning_star
- The Cathy Newman interview isn't half as bad when you watch the whole uncut interview but admittedly she didn't deal well with his inability to answer simplefadein11
- questions (deflect, deflect, deflect) very well. She's a good girl and became a hate figure for his disciples, which kind of sums up my opinion of him.fadein11
- lol at "your" opinionGnash
- @morning, I never seem to see him distance himself from his more extreme supporters/fans. I may be wrong but does he ever?fadein11
- Yes. All the time. He tends to package it with his descent for the extreme Left too.
With regard to your comments about 'his inability to answer simple...Morning_star - ...questions' - whilst he isn't succinct he answered all her question. They may not have been the answers she wanted but they absolutely addressed her ...Morning_star
- ...questions.Morning_star
- Fair enough. I follow his Twitter, which can be a little erratic to say the least.
The best interview/talk I ever saw with him was with his daughter talkingfadein11 - his families long history of depression, father, grandfather, himself and now his daughter. He came across a lot better in that I felt but it was quite old. Hefadein11
- seemed quite different back then.fadein11
- talking about*fadein11
- what a fucking hypocrite you are, fadie. You've waxed on often about what a nazi he is and how abhorrent you find all his views.Gnash
- lol at following him. now you actually read some of his words and realize he's not exactly what you were told to thinkGnash
- perhaps there's some potential after allGnash
- que? I have never called him a Nazi haha. Wtf are you on about? I disagree with a lot of what he says but a Nazi haha.fadein11
- I followed him from when you started bangin on about him, good to see he has soured a little on you also.fadein11
- I dislike him for many reasons but a Nazi. I have also said he makes some interesting points occasionally. You're brainwashing yourself dude.fadein11
- BonSeff2
You should visit the Jordan Peterson Memorial Statue
- lolfadein11
- lol!Salarrue
- Ha ha. Where is that? You know, asking for a friend.Morning_star
- Morning_star-3
Get your ears around this if you can spare some time.
Bret Weinstein and Richard Dawkins talk evolution, religion and some other stuff.- I am genuinely interested in all this, but in general, you need hours every time. Being concise is a good thing, no?MrT
- I think a lot of these discussions are learning and discovery events for the participators. They have no idea how they will concluded and as such they are...Morning_star
- This was really interesting. At times I thought Weinstein was way out of his depth against Dawkins, but fuck, then he pulls some fascinating theories aboutIanbolton
- ...difficult to summarise without losing the inherent value in the format. I tend to digest them whilst doing other stuff, cooking or travelling mainly.Morning_star
- how tribalism and war could be a certain aspect of human evolution and how Catholicism is ... erm, I lost it there!Ianbolton
- I like it when Dawkins get's so wound up. He's such a cunt at times!Ianbolton
- BonSeff0
Hi! Kermit THE Nazi apologist here just normalizing Hitler.
- cue outrage at outrage in 3.2.1...fadein11
- lol @ "thinking" he's normalizing hitler. reading too many click-bait outrage articles. blessGnash
- please.BonSeff
- Boohoo he didn't talk about Hitler without saying bad things about him. Lazy fucking thinking.cannonball1978
- I find him a snoozefest, but don't think he was normalising One Ball here.PhanLo
- "The German's had plenty of reasons to be resentful and hateful, I mean think about it"BonSeff
- He goes on to talk about WWI even though Hitler dodged military service in his youth. Give me a break.BonSeff
- "He acts out the dark desire of the mob"
Dude admits to be an anti-semite 25 years prior in Vienna during his early 20s.BonSeff - do you find acheropites of Hitler on your toast, too?Gnash
- Then he pivots to antifa.BonSeff
- Tell me, what am I missing here? Where is Peterson going with this?BonSeff
- grow up, dude. read a bit deeper. you're spoon-fed from the same trough as the other outrage addicts on hereGnash
- Deeper how? Enlighten me.BonSeff
- I bet you can't.BonSeff
- the guy has had a billion hours of his lectures on YT from before anyone even knew who he was.Gnash
- if there was anything even remotely 'nazi' about his ideology the woke vanguard would have exposed him long ago.Gnash
- he's spent a big chunk of his career studying the psychology authoritarian regimes. but ya, he's a nazi. ugh.Gnash
- you'l find a bakers dozen of his lectures talking about the evil of hitlerGnash
- so do your own homework and thinking. (pro tip -- teen vogue isn't your best source)Gnash
- fuck, dude. this particular video. ad hominem me again. dodge the challenge. go.BonSeff
- i swear to god, peterson trots out this shit and you ask me to do my homework. straight up, fuck you.BonSeff
- defend the fucking video and tell me how he is not feigning empathy.BonSeff
- it's quite clear how you're wrong about him being a nazi apologist and a normalizer of hitler. I don't need to ad your hominem for that.Gnash
- Where did teen vogue come from? Oh right, something to do with women.BonSeff
- because "teen"Gnash
- a teenage level of insightGnash
- I guess I actually had t spell that one out.Gnash
- Are you going to speek to the content of this video or not? Talking shit isn’t helping your positionBonSeff
- Giving yourself props for explaining your dodge, who is the teen here?BonSeff
- you asked, I explained.Gnash
- and I see no evidence in the vid that jp is a nazi apologist nor did I see evidence of him normalizing hitler.Gnash
- but he did sound a bit like kermit at times. good burn!Gnash
- of course you don'tBonSeff
- because there isn't any. I know you tried to voxsplain it with your quotes above but those support neither of your aped opinionsGnash
- i don't read vox dude, never been a fan of ezra klein. again, dodging.BonSeff
- (sorry to assume. my apologies)Gnash
- I read deeper and see what you did there/
thanks for the discussion which went nowhere. fwiw, i appreciate your participation on this site. g'nite, sir.BonSeff - same. cheersGnash