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- omahadesigns-6
99.5% survival rate
- and? that'd be 1,645,00 Americans dead. is that okay to you then?inteliboy
- you're probably the type that would have spat statistics against mandatory seatbelt wearing.inteliboy
- How do you figure?? Global cases 113M, 2.5M Deaths. Math = 2.23%. MATH!!!!ArmandoEstrada
- Everyone who catches COVID has to take a pill form a bag of 100. 2 are poison and will kill you. Will you risk getting COVID?ArmandoEstrada
- Armando, did it ever occur to you that only percentage of total cases get tested?pr2
- Here come the anti-science deniers. QBN Fascists Activated™Hayoth
- Inteli, based on various vaccine data, only 10% of non-vaccinated people will get the virus within a year. So your 0.5% of the total is profoundly incorrect.pr2
- Remember when you had a bitch-fit and said you'd never come back here? Nobody here wants to explain 7th grade science to you.garbage
- Survival isn't just the end. And yeah, it crippled the world's economy and social interstate because "it's just the flu", right? Go back to your sad place.garbage
- Typical trolling. You pathetic idiots just like to take a shit in the street and watch people's reactions.CyBrainX
- Sounds like some people are angry about the survival odds. You should be happy.ApeRobot
- I love all of you—please be safe. regardless of what numbers you’re looking at—remember how unpredictably this shit picks it’s victims. Again—be safe, dicks.PonyBoy
- pr2, if you payed attention - you'd see this number was based on the post I was replying to.inteliboy
- HE'S RIGHT!
If you look at the data that was sent via WhatsApp and posted on Facebook, the survival rate is definitely 99.5%Projectile - 675,000 Americans died of Spanish flu, a much deadlier epidemic, but not to be outdone, Americans are trying to beat that record.PhanLo
- what about the long term damage of those that survive?Leigh
- What about any other virus or diseases with long term damage?ApeRobot
- 99.5% survival rate? Not true.monospaced
- https://www.acsh.org…ApeRobot
- Those are great odds! Get out there and lick some doorknobs!scarabin
- ApeRobot-1
AMERICAN COUNCIL ON SCIENCE AND HEALTH
There are several observations worth noting. First, as we have long known, people of college age and younger are very unlikely to die. The 5-9 and 10-14 age groups are the least likely to die. (Note that an IFR of 0.001% means that one person in that age group will die for every 100,000 infected.) The 0-4 and 15-19 age groups are three times likelier to die than the 5-9 and 10-14 age groups, but the risk is still exceedingly small at 0.003% (or 3 deaths for every 100,000 infected).
Second, the IFR slowly increases with age through the 60-64 age group. But after that, beginning with the 65-69 age group, the IFR rises sharply. This group has an overall IFR just over 1% (or 1 death for every 100 infected). That's a fairly major risk of death. (The red line in the chart marks where the "1% threshold" is crossed.) The IFR then grows substantially and becomes quite scary for people in their 70s and older. People in the 75-79 age group have more than a 3% chance of dying if infected with coronavirus, while people aged 80 and over have more than an 8% chance of dying. That's roughly the same chance as rolling a four with two dice.
Third, the virus discriminates. Beginning with the 20-24 age group, men are about twice as likely to die as women from COVID. This pattern remains in each age group through 80+.
With this data, let's hope that public health officials and policymakers can craft smart guidelines in regard to what parts of society should be locked down and how vaccines should be allocated.
Source: O’Driscoll, M. et al. "Age-specific mortality and immunity patterns of SARS-CoV-2." Nature. DOI: 10.1038/s41586-020-2918-0 (2020).
- https://www.acsh.org…ApeRobot
- Do you have the numbers for hospital and ICU admission rates?dmay
- Silence doesn't fly too high on this board Ape, so be ready for an avalanche of down votes.pr2
- @pr2, do you have the numbers for hospital and ICU admission rates?dmay
- dmay, do you think i'm some kind of data clearing house? i BET there is a paper on that. Just search.pr2
- Well, I searched and got this: https://gis.cdc.gov/…dmay
- Apparently half of the hospitalizations are from UNDER 65dmay
- Many of those will have symptoms that will linger or recur for weeks or monthsdmay
- https://www.cdc.gov/…dmay
- So it’s not only about survival.dmay
- your 2nd link points to a PHONE interview. This sort of "science" gave us "1 in 5 women experience rape on collage campus" fairy tale. HOW the study is done...pr2
- ...is as important as its findings. That's why every science paper describes methology so that everyone can see how full of shit the paper is (or isn't).pr2
- Ok, here’s a list of several studies about long COVID:
https://www.idsociet…dmay - And about the first link, where it shows that half of the hospitalizations are from under 65, is that REAL data?dmay
- Showing that COVID affects not only the eldest but almost every age group?dmay
- dmay, who do you think is saying that covid doesn't affect every age group (minus kids, which covid REALLY doesn't affect)?pr2
- what is being said is that the outcome of those hospitalizations is greatly affected by your comorbidity and your age.pr2
- ware you aware that 6% (!!!) of flu hospitalizations end in death? yes, something THIS innocent kills that many.pr2
- So we either say that "shit, i didn't know flu was that dangerous!!!" and start freaking out over anybody sneezing on the bus OR...pr2
- re-visit our original fear where covid (that is 1-3x - depending on study - as deadly as flu) is nothing to be afraid of.pr2
- (based on me having it, my wife having it, my babysiter - an older lady - having it, my 76 yo mother having it, covid is like a really bad flu...)pr2
- (... so no i'm not belittling the virus calling it like flu but using flu as a relative fear factor)pr2
- So, you’re saying COVID = really bad flu, based in death rates and your personal experience?dmay
- from my response DIRECTLY above yours:
"so no i'm not belittling the virus calling it like flu but using flu as a relative fear factor"pr2
- inteliboy8
Amazing that almost 12 months later this thread is still riddled with posts smuggly throwing out cherry picked data, conspiracy theories and arm-chair analysis. Didn't realise this was a scientific forum full of epidemiologists.
I get peoples frustration.... but you do wonder what it'd take for some to just admit we're in a pandemic.
"People who believe COVID-19 conspiracy theories tend to struggle with scientific reasoning, study finds"
- Mookamericautopian
- it's amazing that 12 months later people still believe in the fear induced by mathematical MODELS despite the fact that REAL data proves otherwise.pr2
- Covid-19 Is not a conspiracy theory.
But as soon you ask questions about it, you become a conspiracy theorists.ApeRobot - Half a million dead Americans. pr2. Half a million. That’s more covid deaths this year than ever before.monospaced
- 3 million died last year, and i never saw you freaking out mono.pr2
- Nope. No covid deaths in 2019. Wrong again.monospaced
- Um... So you only freak out over covid deaths? The rest are all cool with you?pr2
- “It doesn’t even exist” is the one that baffles me the most.Ianbolton
- pr2, a terrorist kills 30 people and we lose our shit, a plane crashes killing a few hundred and we ground entire fleets, what do you mean we don't freak out?_niko
- we're still in the midst of it, we can't comprehend a number so large (would have been 6x bigger with inactivity) but when the dust settles the gravity of it_niko
- hits us, then we'll finally understand the true horrors of this pandemic._niko
- niko, this is the skewed way we perceive reality and how the news enhances this misconception. 9/11 happens every month in car crash mortality. So?pr2
- Seatbelts, road signs, speed limits, traffic patrol, speed cameras, red light cameras, billions of infrastructure, air bags, indicators etc etc etcinteliboy
- Is how we attempt to deal with road accidents. What other false equivalencies are on your mind pr2?inteliboy
- So is not coming to the office when sick, covering your mouth when you sneeze and wash your hands when "under the weather."pr2
- We and our bodies dealt with viruses since the beginning of civilization. This one is relatively trivial based on HARD data - not some math models.pr2
- Wrong. This virus has an incubation period, with no symptoms, when you are contagious.inteliboy
- So by the time you feel "under the weather" you have spent two weeks spreading the fucker.inteliboy
- It also hits people in different ways. And has a laundry list of shot and long terms issues. Which are still being studied.inteliboy
- Though anyway, talking to you pr2 is like communicating to a brick wall.inteliboy
- You've always been this way. Even when about things like film or art. Let alone a pandemic lol.inteliboy
- In turn talking to you is like talking to a hysterical little boy who never bothers reading anything and operates only based only on a "hunch."pr2
- by now we have a plethora of research that says clearly: if you don't have symptoms then you are not a major spreader.pr2
- you seem to operated based on the mathematical models created at beginning of pandemic that were long proven wrong, and nothing, even a crowbar...pr2
- ...will let new information into your head.pr2
- renderedred4
- she also regrets not showeringfuturefood
- Shes fuckin funnyGuyFawkes
- utopian0
More than a dozen Republicans ditched a vote on the $2 trillion COVID relief bill to attend CPAC.
- Seems that Jimmy Carr has gone for a bit of a leftfield career change.Morning_star
- pr2-3
Fantasy ("mathematical models") v reality (hard data) in Covid:
Imperial College fantasized that about 2.35mil deaths in US and 580k in UK.
The reality: US at 530k and UK at 125k (and those numbers reflect BOTH because of covid and WITH covid).
And no, the numbers are not "low" because of mitigation and lock downs but rather because the models are only as good as the data you feed it and early on we have very little of it.
Conclusions: if the original predictions put the fear of God in your heart (as it did into mine), maybe it's time to revisit the original assertions?
- How do you know the numbers are not low because of mitigation and lock down?nb
- I knew this would happen: the better we succeed at preventing deaths, the more likely we hear people say "see! we must have overreacted!"nb
- come on, you can't presume we found a "magic pill" that somehow decreases mortality by 80%.pr2
- Is it really appropriate to gloat over this? They predicted 2 million deaths in the USA if nothing was done, we're at 500k and counting after strict measuresyuekit
- 500k is WITH and BECAUSE of covid. The real covid deaths are probably 200-300k. Ask yourself if instead of 2.3mil, you heard 230k, would that produce...pr2
- ...the same fear in your head?pr2
- You're just picking figures and dates and predictions randomly without context. You're really not as good at this as you think you are.Fax_Benson
- You been on a plane lately? You've been in a mall? Manhattan? Did you notice anything? It's been 1.5 years, man!nb
- Fax, yeah, those pesky scientists writing papers about why the models don't match the data. Yeah...pr2
- NB, What the fuck do malls have to do with anything? Dude, please learns to be more precise in your thinking.pr2
- @pr2 read this
https://www.scientif…yuekit - "A physician, medical examiner or coroner fills out the cause of mortality on the death certificate. That specialist is instructed to include only conditionsyuekit
- that caused or contributed to death. One field lists the sequence of events leading to the death."yuekit
- Goes on to say death certificates that only list COVID-19 are most likely incomplete because there is always some other complication involved, even if thatyuekit
- derived directly from COVID itself. One example would simply be "respiratory failure", which we all know is what happens when you get COVID.yuekit
- yuekit, your candy lined reality is not the one i live in. If you think that over 3000 counties across the us, use the same system of classifying...pr2
- ...deaths, then i wish you luck living in your fairy tale. (and yeah, i've done a commercial for a coroners office and this is one of the issue they mentioned)pr2
- pr2, how many planes need to go down in a fiery crash before you refuse to fly? 1/month, 1/week? the number is 5 planes per day in the US_niko
- every single day for the past year. Now you're saying, yeah but the number is only 2.5 planes per day, not so bad._niko
- niko, here lies the problem: you use a comfortable analogy that at first makes perfect sense but under further inspection it...pr2
- ...falls apart. There are only 25000 airplanes in the world and they could hold only 6mil of the population (that's less than 1%).pr2
- so it's obvious that every crash is traumatic, but if there were 25mil airplanes, to hold all of the population, nobody would care.pr2
- What exactly is candy lined about a world where more people died from a virus?yuekit
- Is that even a saying anyway, candy lined? I think you just made that up lolyuekit
- Anyway read the Scientific American article. The cause of death is not left to individual counties, there is actually a national agency that looks at theyuekit
- test results, vital records and determines what the person died from.yuekit
- "2/3 of the excessive deaths are attributed to covid" - paraphrase from the article. I saw of the 500k, probably 300k are due to covid as the article says.pr2
- do we finally agree on something?pr2
- "i said"pr2
- No they're talking about excess deaths overall. They aren't saying only two thirds of COVID deaths are real.yuekit
- Main point is that this "died of COVID vs. died with COVID" thing is based on a misunderstanding. Ask yourself how many times you've seen that repeated.yuekit
- it not not based on understanding. are u aware that no 1 excess death disease is alzheimer's (at 45k)? Nothing to do with covid and everything...pr2
- ...to do with lockdowns.pr2
- (sorry for bad spelling/grammar)pr2
- The misunderstanding is that there should ALWAYS be another cause of death, if the death was recorded accurately. Because no one dies from just COVID-19, justyuekit
- like no one dies directly from HIV. But people seize on this to say "wow...90% of COVID deaths have another cause" when that's exactly what is expected.yuekit
- The president of USA retweeted this lol. There's just a sea of misinformation out there and this seems to fall under that category.yuekit
- yeah, but i'm not talking about the president and his tweets. i'm talking about fabulously over exaggerated math models that put fear into us.pr2
- now that the REAL data is in, we have to re-thing those fears.pr2
- re-think - ah, my spelling just suck!pr2
- scarabin7
Had my second shot last night and today i feel like hammered dookie. Might be a good idea to schedule a day off following yours. Muscle and bone aches it feels like, sort of a flu without the snotty nose and congestion
- but the good news is, with your new chip, you're now 5G enabled!_niko
- ^true dat!GuyFawkes
- FINALLYscarabin
- Try injecting bleach.shapesalad
- Did you post this with your mind?grafician
- How did you get your shot early?fooler
- I’m family of an essential worker. They’ll be available to everyone very soonscarabin
- Lies! You called Bill Gates didn't you?!grafician
- congrats! full protected scarabin!uan
- I am inessentialSimonFFM
- we need you SimonGuyFawkes
- My wife and I agreed that when we're eligible, we're not getting ours at the same time. It would suck to be wiped out and taking care of 2 little kids.mg33
- that's a real good idea ^scarabin
- my wife had no side effects at all from either of the Pfizer doses, weird. Not sure what to expect. I usually show little to no symptoms when I get sick.monospaced
- Yeah, my partner was laid out for nearly 36 hours after she had her first AZ jab last weekend. she's usually pretty resilient.Nairn
- palimpsest-3
Getting back to asteroids.
If we are 100% sure an asteroid will hit Earth but will only kill 0.01% of the population and need leave some wounded.
What reasonable measures, if any, are we to take?- 4Fax_Benson
- 3
- Don't blow it.
- Keep it simple.
- Count your money.palimpsest - Wrong thread. Asteroid of the day thread plsnb
- The thing was, chances of a human getting hit by an meteorite, not the earth itself.ApeRobot
- Imagine if we can stop that asteroid from killing even 30% of that 0.01% by washing our fucking hands and wearing a goddamn mask and staying home for a while.nb
- a while? it's been a year ffs.ApeRobot
- no restaurant
no concert
no parties
no drinks in a bar
no socializing
and so on....
curfew and the list goes on.ApeRobot - for a year...i'm tired of this.ApeRobot
- By the way, you do not destroy viruses.ApeRobot
- Where do you live that all those things have been closed for a year? Restos are open in nyc even. I see people working in cafes.nb
- “I want to drink in a bar” is the most whiny entitled shit I’ve ever heard in my lifenb
- But I like the bars mommy. They’re my favowitenb
- hang on I missed this ape, can you explain the stats on an individual getting hit by a meteorite pls?fadein11
- @nb, i'm in Belgium, and yes, life has been on hold for a year now. Social life has been cancelled here.ApeRobot
- and fuck you by the way. ;)ApeRobot
- "The thing was, chances of a human getting hit by an meteorite, not the earth itself."
So 0.01% is the not the death rate but the chance of Covid hitting Earth?palimpsest - @ApeRobot
I'm trying to get people on your side by putting things into perspective.palimpsest - You got more chance to die from a meteorite impact than dying from covid according to Nasa odds about eventual impact.ApeRobot
- What are the chances of getting hit by a meteorite impact? The same as getting infected by Covid?palimpsest
- Stay focused.
We can do this.palimpsest - Had it in Dec... Still not 100%necromation
- the chances of seeing asteroids after drinking one of the belgian strong beers are 100%.uan
- HahahahaGnash
- lol, true that.ApeRobot
- No actions necessary. 0.1% death is acceptable and warrants no response by anyone, anywhere, for any reason. Obviously.monospaced
- Also, Ape, it was a year because a bunch of knuckle dragging, science denying, FUCKTARDs didn't want to wear a mask, you dense clown.monospaced
- If EVERYONE had worn masks and stayed in a few weeks it could have been curbed. But no, they didn't do shit, and those same assholes are now whining about a yrmonospaced
- Mono, as always, comes from some unicorn land. Mask barely work, they act more as virtue signaling: "hey, remember we are still in pandemic" than mitigation.pr2
- But in the unicorn land science isn't one of the pillars of reality.pr2
- What happened to Space Force? Wasn't that supposed to deal with: asteroids, rogue enemy satellites, space junk, hypersonic weapons and aliens.utopian
- Space force was created to deal with klingons, utopianscarabin
- @pr2, you're so full of shit. If masks didn't help, why do doctors wear them? Why do they suggest wearing them?monospaced
- The only person here in unicorn land is your data skewing, science denying, expert mocking clown ass. And everyone else here knows it, pr2.monospaced
- You act like you have gleaned some kind of conclusion that the world experts overlooked, and which you cannot even relate here in a way that makes sense.monospaced
- But hey, you're a high school grad film maker who once shot a video in a hospital. So I guess you're some expert and all the doctors are full of shit. Ok doogiemonospaced
- You're the kind of jackass that would say an asteroid has the same chance as killing you as a virus, and would therefore conclude you shouldn't care.monospaced
- You're also the type that sees more deaths per day than 9/11, all 100% covid, and still deny that anything should be done to prevent it. Morally fucked clown.monospaced
- Def bro I know a lot of people who died from asteroids, personally and historicallynb
- Honestly this "as likely as an asteroid" crowd is on par with flat-earthers. Yeeshnb
- mono, now i'm CERTAIN you NEVER read even one paper about mask because almost every paper about masks and their general ineffectiveness addresses...pr2
- ... the "why doctors weary it" issue. So yeah, congratulations to reveal yourself to be total ignoramus.pr2
- They wear them so people don’t recognize them later on the street by the smell of their breathnb
- fucking retard, pr2, please explain why ALL DOCTORS wear masks then you science-denying, high school (max) educated, wannabe doctor film maker dunce?monospaced
- I get that you distort the papers you read to fit your narrative, because you're overly emotional about this, but you clearly have a reading problem. Moron.monospaced
- Now I'm convinced that you actually don't read very well at all, which explains your absolute shit conclusions you draw from statistics.monospaced
- And for the record, the majority of all health professionals on this planet would say you're flat out wrong. Fact.monospaced
- ApeRobot-3
- The chances of an asteroid hitting Earth should be compared with the chances of Covid hitting Earth.
Are you saying Covid is a hoax?palimpsest - On your comments below you were talking about the chances of a meteorite hitting a human. Which one is it?palimpsest
- soon.gifutopian
- Still confused what the fuck this has to do with Covid? Please explain.fadein11
- first it was chances of hitting a human, then Earth. Please expand in more detail. This could be a game changer.fadein11
- The chances of an asteroid hitting Earth should be compared with the chances of Covid hitting Earth.
- drgs0
Order of vaccination for risk groups in Norway:
1. Residents in nursing homes
2. Age 85 years and above
3. Age 75-84 years
4. Age 65-74 years
5. Age 55-64 years with underlying diseases/conditions
6. Age 45-54 years with underlying diseases/conditions
7. Age 18-44 years with underlying diseases/conditions
8. Age 55-64 years
9. Age 45-54 yearsFor those who are not in the risk groups:
It has not yet been decided how the coronavirus vaccine will be offered to healthy people aged 18-44 years outside the prioritized groups.So, chances are I will not get the vaccine...
- Krassy1
- So, this poorly written, typo riddled article from an Israeli online paper is citing a quote from the CEO from 3 months ago, and didn't confirm anything. Nice.monospaced
- Borat?GuyFawkes
- Yes BoratAQUTE
- Booyakasha!Krassy
- wait, this pic looks like 1990 or something. look at that printer and screen, cigs and lighter on his desk, c'mon :)renderedred
- lol. wtf with this photoBeeswax
- lolKrassy
- _niko5
I got my test results back for the covid
Antibodies yesterday and they came back negative.I posted that my wife had covid in January and I assumed my whole family got it, we didn’t sleep in the same bed for 10 days but other than that we were living together like normal.
I’ve heard of other families where one person gets it but the rest don’t but I find it so strange.
Are there people naturally immune or less likely to get it?
Was my wife not actually infected and she had a false positive? (She did lose her sense of smell and taste though)
Did I in fact have it but my antibodies disappeared after two months?Such a strange virus.
- My gf got it and I slept with her & quarantined with her entire time (I felt flu-like a day or two before her), but I tested negative in test AND no antibodieshardhat
- Yeah that’s so bizarre but wondering if it’s more common than we think._niko
- I know of more than a few couples where one got it and the other didn’t. Fwiw, all were women who got sick. The guys were okay.hardhat
- That’s said, more men test positive in generalhardhat
- antibodies develop when you are really sick. if your body doesn't see reason as what's at its immediate disposal is good enough...pr2
- ...then you won't develop antibodies. you might develop t-cells (kinda like engineer that know show to build tank when war comes)...pr2
- ...but there is no test for t-cells.pr2
- since she lots sense of smell and taste, she almost certainly got it. and you almost certainly got it too but maybe u had it earlier?pr2
- there were studies early on that said you were (i think) only 28% likely to get it from a spouse, 18% from another member of the household...kingsteven
- and that was back when folks weren't being so careful.+ if you had a minor case its more likely that your body fought it off through other means.kingsteven
- i give niko benefit of doubt assuming that he bangs his gf - which involves kissing and that leads directly to infection.pr2
- we also know a friend cuple, he tested positive and his girlfriend who lives with him Not. it also makes them wonder.api
- I'm pretty sure I had it early 2020. My wife didnt catch it. Her mum who was staying with us at time was a little poorly. My folks who we'd only see on occasionmicrokorg
- both had same as what i had (unconfirmed as covid). but one of their friends who had same sympoms died and covid was cause of death.microkorg
- Tin foil hat should helpi_was
- I still have antibodies from last March. My friend who got it but had very very light symptoms doesn’t have antibodies.Chimp
- Beeswax1
There are some reports of cancer cells being destroyed after cancer patients contracted Covid-19
https://twitter.com/Tony_Calles/…
https://twitter.com/DrGunerSonme…- I'm going to call this coincidental, until such time as proper comprehensive studies are done. If they're even merited or conducted at all.Continuity
- Having said that, research is being done for cancer treatments that are based on mRNA Covid vaccines.Continuity
