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- utopian0
Fauci Warns U.S. Could Be Headed for Another Virus Spike
“We’ve just now recently experienced the worst surge,” Fauci said Friday during a White House coronavirus briefing, adding that the country had plateaued at between 60,000 and 70,000 new cases per day. “When you have that much of viral activity in a plateau, it almost invariably means that you are at risk for another spike.”
- mg332
Covid-19 Pill Shows Promise in Preliminary Testing
The antiviral reduced infectious virus in Covid-19 patients in a mid-stage study.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cov…Science Mag article:
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pip…
- Projectile2
- AdorableKrassy
- F.E.A.R.Morning_star
- rofl at replymicrokorg
- utopian0
A new lab study shows troubling signs that Pfizer's and Moderna's COVID-19 shots could be far less effective against the variant first found in South Africa.
Pfizer's and Moderna's shots were at least 10 times less effective against variant in a new study.
Researchers tested the vaccines on a variant first found in South Africa, which is now in 20 states.
A mutation on the variant called E484K appeared to be a "major contributor," the study authors said.
- uan1
Still a bit early to party...but some treatment drugs are entering study phases...still a long way to go, but a bit of hope.
https://www.molecularpartners.co…
there was another one, but I can't remember the link...was from a University in UK/Scotland and used a component from a yellow flower is all I can recall, but can't find it.
- A treatment sounds more like a better idea than vaccine, in my humble opinion.ApeRobot
- quarantine -> vaccines -> treatments.
we are at the beginning of vaccines stage. They (docs, scientists, industry) need time to study this crazy bat shit.uan - the rest of us monkeys can do is be patient and try not to go full crazy on our emotions.uan
- Treatment for the majority, quarantine and vaccine for old and fragile people.ApeRobot
- The more people are vaccinated, the fewer that need to be treated. It's not complicated, and we need to make sure the hospitals are not overrun.monospaced
- No need for treatment. Remember it's only 0.01%.palimpsest
- good point. I wonder how big pharma made the research investment calculation to profit from only 0.01%.uan
- umm, pharma doesn't profit from the dead ones, derpmonospaced
- Nairn3
I really, really, really need a proper haircut.
I've been mangling my shit for far too long now. I'm almost at shaving it all off and starting again, it's got so bad.
This is related to this thread. I've not mistaken it for the Blog.
- I'm currently nurturing the 'Castaway' look. God knows how things will look in a month. Look out for
"Bigfoot sighted in Birmingham' headlines. :)Morning_star - It's been cold, so when I'm outdoors I'm wearing a hat, and because lockdown I don't see anyone indoors, so it's not mattered. Today was warm and sunny.Nairn
- It was all out there for everyone to see.
I look like a cross between a Glaswegian drunk and a leftist trust-fund hippy.Nairn - If you and the hair dresser are masked then it's a pretty safe activity. I've been getting hair cuts since last June in LA.FNP14
- Not Allowed here in the UK.
Though clearly some barbers are working illicitly, with shutters half-drawn and then clean-looking peeps spilling outNairn - I cut my boys hair and some are okay, but some are hideous. Last one I shaved a line around his head and nicked him with the clipper on his ear. Blood!stoplying
- I'm filled with no end of amusement seeing the varying degrees of shitty attempts at cutting children's hair, as i see in the playground.Nairn
- Covid made haircuts fun again. I’ve had some shockingly awesome hairstyles in the last year.sausages
- Jan 2020 was my last haircut.mort_
- I’m in that awful post-mohawk growing-everything-o... stagescarabin
- I'm currently nurturing the 'Castaway' look. God knows how things will look in a month. Look out for
- api1
News report that there are now three incidents with Astra Zeneca Vaccine in Austria.
A Nurse 49 died after Astra Ceneca Vaccine, she had no known pre conditions.
A other colleague (30) from the nurse in the same hospital was did get loung embilism after vaccination. The Astra Zeneca Charge was stopped and the case was reported to the EU.
Now a nother woman had a a loung embolism and was 2 Weeks in Hospital.
It looks like people with blood clotting problems have higher risk with this vaccine type.
An insider told to a newspaper that the spike proteine in combination with the ACE2-Proteinen could possibly cause the blood thrombosis.
Does anyone know other related cases like this in the EU or outside?
- yeah some cases reported in south korea too. they don‘t know atm, but both cases were also related to the same batch of the vaccine. also the south korean ones.uan
- no one knows but it could be related to production problems or transport or so...we will know in some weeks.uan
- what the shit is a "loung"monospaced
- kek, lounge without the E! it's busy and loud place with a lot of traffic.sted
- "Currently there is no evidence of a causal relationship with the vaccination," BASG said. BASG is the Austrian health office.monospaced
- Your conclusion that people with blood-clotting problems are at higher risk of vaccine complications is not backed by any data anywhere. Don't make shit up.monospaced
- The world of pro and anti science is about to get a lot more divisive, eh?ideaist
- @uan thank you for the info from south ko!
in Austria the first two AZ cases are from the same patch (zwettl) the third case is from a different patch (styria).api - Link: 7 Dead in South Korea After Vaccinated with AstraZeneca https://www.eutimes.…api
- the EU Times is basically a conspiracy site. SK and news orgs saying tests show no link to AZ vaccine?Fax_Benson
- Also, every person who died after getting this vaccine had eaten breakfast that day. Therefore, eating breakfast puts you at risk of death with the AZ vaccine.monospaced
- Point is, there's no indication the vaccine caused the complications, only that they coincided with timing.monospaced
- Don't even bother about that little coke she takes every day just to have the feeling that she can keep it together in this mess hehhsted
- it’s not like they just got fever symptoms after breakfast. when a very small group of people (nurses) + that get an very rare pulmonary embolism...api
- in a very short time frame from just a view weeks than something CAN be a cause and not just correlation. @fax_bension this just came up on google maybe uan...api
- has other sources from south korea. my korean search/language capabilities are very limited here..api
- indeedFax_Benson
- oey_oey5
I can get vaccinated via the Kindergarten where my daughter is going to start on Monday.
My partner is totally up to it.
I'm not against it at all but suddenly having the possibility to do it gives me a certain feeling of uncertainty about it and honestly I would prefer to wait a bit longer.
I was trying to tell this to my partner and she made a face like: "Are you fucking kidding me?!"
Something I totally understand, still...
I have to make my mind up until 8 am, that's in nine and a half hours.
- nothing changes, you only get a chance against something you couldn’t fight alone.
all you can do is to tell yourself this is something bad.sted - i totally understand your thoughts. there is a good chance you will survive the next days with - or without vaccine so don't worry too much :)api
- ^ hahahaha!oey_oey
- surviving the next days made me laugh!oey_oey
- you're totally right sted.oey_oey
- Why are you uncertain? They've been shown to be effective and safe over the last few months.monospaced
- To be honest I can't really say mono and because I can't find a logical reason to be afraid of anything I will most probably take the chance.oey_oey
- It also means that with my parents getting vaccinated soon me and my family can travel to Portugal so my parents can spend some time with their granddaughteroey_oey
- Okay. What "chance" are you taking though?monospaced
- taking the vaccine of course...oey_oey
- i am concerned about long term side effects for example. this is why vaccines are NOT tested on live population for more than a few years.renderedred
- i don't want to be over sixty with a genetic disorder of some kind or other degenerative thing because we were in a hurry to approve it.renderedred
- and to make it clear i am not antivax at all, i am anti making quick decisions and test things on a general population.renderedred
- shut up renderedred! you're making it worse. hahahaha! shit...oey_oey
- LOL sorry!renderedred
- look dude i bet you wouldn't be alive without some of the basic shots(i think you got a few when u were a kid), so give the science and the missus some respectsted
- @sted, i love science and believe it's for the good, but if i had the choice i'd go for sputnik 5, old school dormant virus technology, mRNA messenger scares merenderedred
- all we have where i live is pfizer (they won the vaccine wars of 2020)renderedred
- @sted, I know that dude, believe me I'm pro science and I totally believe in science. and I will take it. I'll report in 20 years. LOL!oey_oey
- What "chance" are you taking? Meaning, what are you risking by taking it? If your'e afraid, what are you afraid of?monospaced
- An acquaintance of mine has been working on mRNA vaccines for like 20 years. To claim they haven't been tested is simply false. Cheers!monospaced
- @mono I don't think I'm risking anything in the near future. I'm afraid of possible long term side effects. but I'm not that well informed to be honest.oey_oey
- Cheers @mono "There are about a dozen experimental vaccines in late-stage clinical trials globally, but the ones being tested by Pfizer and Moderna are the onlyrenderedred
- Sputnik here I go!!!oey_oey
- two that rely on messenger RNA." - first article on google:renderedred
- https://www.statnews…renderedred
- i trust your friend will test it on him/herself first and report in 5-10 yrs @monorenderedred
- and yeah, their family and children too.renderedred
- "Although relatively easy and quick to produce compared to traditional vaccine-making, no mRNA vaccine or drug has ever won approval."renderedred
- all i'm saying, kudos to science but test it on a controlled group for long term effects.renderedred
- We’ll find out in 5 years if everyone turns into lizards.Chimp
- @renderedred, thanks, and the rest of the article details DECADES OF TESTING of mRNA vaccines. Once again, not new and quite well tested.monospaced
- sure, decades of lab testing and that's splendid. no mRNA vaccine has ever been approved and surely not tested on human control groups.renderedred
- which basically means YOU are the test subject, in vivo testing is so in right now.renderedred
- it's because they haven't been needed as normal vaccines were already available, but there were BILLIONS invested in the tech because it was going to blow upmonospaced
- also, nothing indicates that there is an issue 5-10 years later, even after all these yearsmonospaced
- nothing indicates there ISN'T an issue after 5-10 years either. tech is great in theory i agree...renderedred
- i will believe you mono if you produce people that got an mRNA vaccine 10 years ago and everything is finerenderedred
- omfg, so, there's no evidence that unicorns aren't fucking behind jupiter right now, but I don't believe it's true!monospaced
- You're exhibiting one of the biggest mock-worthy logical fallacies of all time, and you don't even realize it. You think you're being logical, but you're not.monospaced
- There is no logical connection between the virus and the clots, and you are pulling RANDOM numbers 5-10 out of your ass, and concluding based on that.monospaced
- nothing changes, you only get a chance against something you couldn’t fight alone.
- oey_oey5
So i asked my partner just 10 minutes ago:
"You now which vaccine it actually is we're getting?"
She replied:
"Seriously?! I hope it's Sputnik after you take it you become radioactive and immortal!"
- renderedred1
what if mRNA vaccine has an 0.5% mortality rate or some sort of immune system going haywire thing in 5-10 years. would you take it?
discuss...
- lolmonospaced
- laugh all you want mono, we'll see in 5-10 years...renderedred
- i am not anti-science, the opposite, but i will not be a test subject in a huge live experiment. when i can choose a vaccine i'll get one.renderedred
- what does 5-10 years have to do with anything besides your wild imagination?monospaced
- yeah, but... how do we really know it's not going to give us Autism either!!Ianbolton
- it's not my imagination, it's facts mono, mRNA vaccines were NEVER tested on a controlled group. we DON'T know what can happen, that is all.renderedred
- we DON'T know anything about long-term, not even if it works more than a few monthsrenderedred
- and finally the super dooper pfizer vaccine is ineffective against the SA strain, that we know already. so yeah, go get it...renderedred
- @ian we don't know. imagine it has genetic effects on your offspring for example. will you take the risk? even a small one like 0.5% of cases?renderedred
- If mRNA turns even one person into a zombie we're doomed! It's just not worth the risk!i_monk
- i would totally go for it if there was research and transparent stats on people getting the mRNA vaccine before 2010, and there isn't.renderedred
- so if we don't know anything, why are you concerned about 5-10 years later? No study has indicated that would be an issuemonospaced
- you're still 100% imagining and fabricating a what if out of thin air, and then acting like it's a valid concernmonospaced
- the reason it hasn't rolled out in a control group until 2020 was NOT because there were reasons to be worried dudemonospaced
- i get your point, still i'm a skeptic by nature ;)renderedred
- the moment sputnik 5 (an old-school dormant virus) is available in my parts that one i'll take. that tech worked for a long time successfully.renderedred
- I will still be waiting for a while to get one and see how things are going in a few months.. but J&J is not an mRNA vaccine.slinky
- @renderererered - I don't disagree with you. You're right to be sus. OTOH, my partner was laid out for 36 hours after her 'traditional' AZ jab.Nairn
- What if it gives us photographic memory and triple sensitive genitals?Akagiyama
- It can be a valid concern it's imagined because there are still risks of unknown unknowns.cannonball1978
- Well sure. Space might be filled with space dragons and there might be a monster under the bed.monospaced
- @nairn AZ vaccine is also the messenger onerenderedred
- No, it's not.Nairn
- i just read about it it uses a DNA strain instead of RNA within an adenovirus.renderedred
- "The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is based on the virus’s genetic instructions for building the spike protein. But unlike the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccinesrenderedred
- which store the instructions in single-stranded RNA, the Oxford vaccine uses double-stranded DNA."renderedred
- https://www.nytimes.…renderedred
- read my man, get informed...renderedred
- Your article lliterally states bluntly that the AZ vaccine uses DNA and not messenger RNA. Pull your head out of your ass.Nairn
- Oh, I see - I misstated the AZ one as 'traditional' earlier. Not sure why i said that. Drunk, likely.Nairn
- utopian2
- this is the exact question that bothered me the most for over a year... good night!api
- If you can fit it all inside a can of Coke... stands to reason: A CHINESE LAB MANUFACTURED it and had it in a canister the size of Coke can!shapesalad
- Glad I chose Pepsi.uan
- grafician1
"Denmark is suspending the use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine for two weeks as it investigates reports of some patients developing blood clots after being inoculated, days after several other EU countries suspended use of a specific batch of the vaccine."
- paging @mono, there you go my friend, not even 5 yrs and it's a messenger vaccine with all that research you talked about :Prenderedred
- it uses a DNA strand for the message instead of pfizer's RNA, the only difference, same principle.renderedred
- Paging common sense, where are you? 3rd sentence says "not possible yet to draw conclusions." Which you're doing, against common sense.monospaced
- Later it says "currently no indication that vaccination has caused these conditions"monospaced
- They don't even have a single case of blood clotting to reference in their nation. Just sayin.monospaced
- One case in Austria: The EMA said Wednesday there was "no indication" that vaccination had been behind the cases of clotting or death.monospaced
- Once again, you're jumping to a conclusion that not a single expert has come to, and referencing articles that say it's safe and vaccine isn't related.monospaced
- we are at a point where we can neither exclude or include, that astra zeneca is the cause. it's good that a investigation is going on. results needed!api
- sure, but as of now, there is no evidence that AZ is the cause, so that's a good starting point eh?monospaced
- ok, ok, let's give it more time, it'll be ok.renderedred
- at the very least let's see what the investigation turns up, and for now listen to the experts instead of crying "sky is falling"monospaced
- Maybe just a bad batch, but taking no chances here...grafician
- bad batch that affected 2 people in Austria?monospaced
- @mono what part of "taking no chances" don't you get?grafician
- Not getting vaccinated is taking a very great chance with covid, though, and that does have data to back up the headlines.Fax_Benson
- @graf, the part where no “chance” is even shown to be possiblemonospaced
- The only chance you take with a vaccine is the chance of being vaccinated. The other "chance" is a sore arm and maybe a chill for a few hours.monospaced
- You can't make up a fake-ass, fabricarted, fear-mongering, dumbass, based on imagination "chance" and then say we can't prove it WON'T happen. DERPmonospaced
- guess what? I turned out to be rightmonospaced
- sted4
- maquito0
Uruguay: new infections record today. The number doesn’t really matter; it’s tiny, such as the countries’ population. However, we hit a new record today, sadly, after 3 months of a moderate decay.
- omahadesigns-1
If the J&J vaccine isn't as effective, why is it an option?
Why can't they just manufacture the other two instead?
- J&J is easier to produce fastergrafician
- It's totally effective. 75% is really good for a vaccine. A standard flu shot between 40-70.FNP14
- There isn’t enough of any one vaccine. And it’s effective at reducing hospitalization - if one does get COVID, it’s not as severeGnash
- and maybe the logistics are also easier?grafician
- I assure you that the poor American communities will be given the "Bobo Shot" aka J&J vaccine.utopian
- 60% is better than 0%.uan
- It's only one shot vs two. Plus it can be stored in regular refrigerators instead of sub freezersakiersky
- They were tested at different stages of the pandemic, so the % effectiveness is not on the same scalerobotinc
- it's because it's a different approach entirelymonospaced
- api1
Some insides from the head of an intensive care hospital:
CoV deaths without an underlying disease are rare
People without a previous illness only get very seriously ill from Covid-19 or die from it in exceptional cases. Only “very rarely” would young patients without a previous illness end up in the intensive care unit or even die. This is pointed out by the head of the internal intensive care unit at the Innsbruck University Hospital, Michael Joannidis.
Online since today, 9.25 a.m.Over 95 percent of the Tyrolean intensive care patients who needed intensive medical treatment because of the virus had developed severe pneumonia. The previous illnesses, which existed in most cases, were very often diabetes, but in many cases also high blood pressure or obesity. Two thirds of the intensive care cases had high blood pressure, according to Joannidis in an interview with the APA.
Old age is a major risk factorIn addition, whether the first or second wave applies: "Old age is associated with a significantly poorer survival rate." according to the doctor. In contrast, less than ten percent of the under 60s.
The median Covid 19 deaths would have been 76 years in the first wave and 77 years in the second. According to the expert, 70 percent of coronavirus intensive care patients are male. The mortality in the Tyrolean intensive care units was 28 percent in the second wave. It was slightly higher than in the first wave of the pandemic, when it was 24 percent
original article/translate by google:
https://tirol.orf.at/stories/309…- Interestingly, this is exactly what they said 12 months ago. It kills people who are overweight, diabetic or really old. So wear a fucking mask.monospaced
- grafician0
"Novavax vaccine 96% effective against original coronavirus, 86% vs British variant in UK trial"
