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- Ramanisky20
This Arkansas town-hall from a few days ago could also be filed under .....
America is Fucked
State of QBN 2021
Punches For:Enjoy.
- Questions and Comments start at around 11:00 mark.Ramanisky2
- no thanksinteliboy
- utopian0
How COVID-19 will change the nation’s long-term economic trends, according to Brookings Metro scholars.
- utopian1
The future of work after COVID-19
- That's some impressive web design toografician
- Yeah. Well it’s McKinsey. The best consulting firms understand the power of good design. I would know ;)monospaced
- inteliboy0
This is a good ep. Nothing new if you're not a covidiot, but just goes to show how irresponsible the media (new and old alike) have been in spreading misinformation...
https://samharris.org/podcasts/2…
In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Eric Topol about vaccine hesitancy and related misinformation. They discuss the problem of political and social siloing, concerns about mRNA vaccines, the Emergency Use Authorization by the FDA, the effectiveness of the COVID vaccines, vaccine efficacy vs effectiveness, the Delta variant, the misuse of the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), concerns about long-term side effects from vaccines, bad incentives in medicine, ivermectin, government and corporate censorship, vaccine mandates, and other topics.
Eric Topol is the Founder and Director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute, Professor of Molecular Medicine, and Executive Vice-President of Scripps Research.
- This is a good episode and well worth listening too.Morning_star
- Ramanisky20
Texas State Republican Executive Committee Member Scott Apley.
Scott was anti-mask and anti-vaccine and posted many COVID conspiracy theories to his Twitter and Facebook accounts.
Scott died this morning from COVID.
- Way too many inspirational biblical quotes on his TwitterPhanLo
- He died free. He was free to not take a vaccine. He was free to be a moron. That was his choice.monospaced
- api-2
We made a big mistake - the spike protein is a toxin, not a safe antigen. says Dr. Bry. B.
- he's using research that shows that the spike protein in the virus causes damage (a study of people who died from covid) to infer the vaccine does the same...kingsteven
- the spikes in vaccines are engineered to not bind to receptors in the same way. it's interesting but speculation, he doesn't have any evidence to back it up.kingsteven
- < The Sam Harris podcast two posts down addresses the concern over the spike protein. Have a listen.Morning_star
- Fail to see how at a chemical level it can be a 'toxin' when it's made of protein. It's not made of lead or anything... body calmly responds and flushes it out.shapesalad
- the spike protein in covid acts in a similar way to the toxins produced by staph bacteria so: hyperinflammation, cytokine storms, cardiovascular damage etckingsteven
- Proteins can be some of the most 'toxic' things life can encounter - witness prions, which are.. well, evil. Never mind soon-to-be swapped chiral proteins.Nairn
- It is questionable whether amounts of free spike protein that might be generated after vaccination are sufficient to cause harmful side effects..api
- However, it is certainly good if further research is done to keep vaccines safer for all of us.api
- research has never stoppedmonospaced
- that's the good thingmonospaced
- drgs0
A vaccine prevents me from getting ill, but it does not stop me from infecting others. Why is it your moral duty to take the vaccine "to protect others"? You're only protecting myself.
So why the moral pressure?- It doesn't stop anything. You can still get ill and infect others.
Much like when your mom stopped drinking during pregnancy.Projectile - ...it reduced the chances of brain damage, but there were no guaranteesProjectile
- vaccines block the transmission, that is the moral duty. 30%+ freeloading on herd immunity (if it is even achieved). i don't want those people in my life.kingsteven
- Vaccine does NOT block transmission.monospaced
- *yourselfdrgs
- if a vaccine prevents infection and prevents disease it blocks transmissionkingsteven
- I think the moral take on it is to prevent health system from collapse. And protect the ones who can't get vaccines because of allergies or other illness.uan
- but the 'moral duty talk' is also part of the communication campaign used to convince more people to help in a community effort to get this thing under control.uan
- vaccinated = gets covid, lasts 7 days, stays at home. Unvaccinated, gets covid, lasts 21 days, 14 days in hospital, puts health workers lives at risk = big A hoshapesalad
- Don't be a pussy get vaccinated, everyone, quick. The longer you drag it out, the more chance a 'super' variant has time to mutate out.shapesalad
- @kingsteven, you are dead wrong.Morning_star
- What is it I keep hearing vaccines dont help with transmission, what is the truthdrgs
- The vaccines do NOT block transmission. They do not prevent infection. They never claimed to.monospaced
- They are not like traditional vaccines. These only keep you from getting deathly ill. That's why it's so important to get it.monospaced
- To protect others from having to take care of your selfish assnb
- @drgs, from day 1 they've been consistent that the covid vaccines are effective against the virus turning into a bad infection, and not much elsemonospaced
- @drgs The vaccine is a bit like a personal army. It's able to protect you whilst fight the Covid invaders. The stronger your army the less damage the invaders..Morning_star
- ...do. The same Covid invaders attacking you will also attack other people and the damage to that person will depend how strong their army is. Vaccine gives...Morning_star
- ...you a stronger personal army.Morning_star
- Lol Projectile. I’m deadnoRGB
- the idea of vaccines blocking transmission is fundamental, it can't be proven in trials because it is mostly the direct effect of the prevention ofkingsteven
- infection and disease in society but has been proven multiple times with all the major covid vaccines, often outperforming expectations...kingsteven
- fairly good explanation based on the initial studies of pfizer roll out in isreal: https://www.nature.c…kingsteven
- it wasn't until i read the reports in to reduction of transmissibility from AZ vax that i decided to get it myself. just look at the drop in cases in countrieskingsteven
- >2/3 vaxxed and largely reopened, UK, Netherlands etc. Vaccines workkingsteven
- Over longer time periods, like after 1 year that you see an effect on transmission?drgs
- no in the same timeframe individual protection the effect on transmissibility can be observed in a demographickingsteven
- kingsteven, for the last time, these vaccines do not stop transmission, and this has been common knowledge for a yearmonospaced
- they can REDUCE it (less coughing, etc) but they don't stop itmonospaced
- I think the point kingsteven is making is that they prevent getting Covid, which in turn prevents you from transmitting it.bogue
- it's rare for someone with a vaccine to test positive for Covid.. which is why they are calling them "breakthrough" cases.bogue
- And yes Mono, the vaccines are also even more effective at preventing serious cases of covid, and even more effective at preventing death.bogue
- @mono vaccines provide protection against infection AND protection against severe illness, 'blocking' transmission is the statistical term i've seen used tokingsteven
- describe an instance of an individual not passing on the virus (of course is dependent on the amount of protection against infection and illness a vax provides)kingsteven
- i didn't say stop for a reason, but could have probably explained it betterkingsteven
- They don't prevent you from getting covid, and don't prevent transmission. This might be true of other vaccines, but not these ones. Sorrymonospaced
- You can be vaccinated, contract COVID, pass it on, and never know. This is common knowledge. It's been talked about for a long time.monospaced
- These vaccines just make sure that it doesn't turn into a trip to the hospital, and at that they're 90%+ effective.monospaced
- those are the parameters by which the efficacy of vaccines is assessed mono, in the UK its been shown this week vaxxed are 3 times less likely to test positivekingsteven
- https://www.gov.uk/g…kingsteven
- i mentioned before, the trials can only test for infection. the effect on transmission is observed in the wild, but its the result of individuals getting vaxxedkingsteven
- those are not the paramaters for efficacy of THESE vaccines. You keep talking about vaccines as if they're all the same.monospaced
- The trials can test for more than infection. They tested for if it turned into a deadly disease in this case.monospaced
- You seem convinced that it is limited. Where are you reading this?monospaced
- Even your link shows that it's less likely, but it doesn't prevent. That's what everyone is saying.monospaced
- you were claiming it doesn't prevent infection, i'm not claiming it prevents all infection, it prevents 75% if that study is to be believed.kingsteven
- you cant determine prevention or transmissibility in a trial, only if someone is infected (asymptomatically or seriously) it doesn't mean they dont preventkingsteven
- but the studies coming out now are very positive, obviously preventing infection is a far bigger deal than symptoms in blocking transmissionkingsteven
- 50-60% not 75%kingsteven
- my only claim here is that they never claimed to prevent transmission entirely :) I've heard it's lower than 50% alsomonospaced
- Ahh, yeah I wasn't sure were you were coming from there but yeah, it's unfortunate that even with this protection herd immunity could require 85%+ vaxxedkingsteven
- Can't see us being in any better position in a year, given how badly we've fucked up the last 2. Could be a different story without the 'ill ait and see' peoplekingsteven
- 'I'll wait and see' ffs. Don't even mind the antivaxxers as much as those doomerskingsteven
- It doesn't stop anything. You can still get ill and infect others.
- DaveO3
This was a really interesting listen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/…
Basically – the weird swings in the labor market, the effect of stimulus and unemployment relief, and the winners and losers of both.
Part of me got quite angry at some of the people who aren't going back to work and are basically collecting more than they would do if they took a job. "i don't ever want to go back to how it was" – IE working for a living.
But then the other part of me was envious that i didn't use the crisis to change course like some of these people did. I work more now than I ever did, not always for the better.
I'd be interested to hear what some on here think.
- A lot of people realised their working life was an endless misery and they weren't being well compensated for it. Will give it a listenPhanLo
- Exactly that – restaurant workers especially. Working in restaurants / kitchens is intense and the money is wack. Good on them for making change.DaveO
- Restaurants are struggling to hire staff, and there's a huge rise in customers being nightmare assholes on top of it.monospaced
- good / indie restaurants need to up their prices and pay staff more. Chain restaurants will either have to do the same or go under.Fax_Benson
- There are so many fascinating financial / market quirks associated with Covid, interesting times that will be studied for years. Oil / Labor / Cars / HousesDaveO
- $10 an hour to work in a kitchen is brutal, that guy saying it hadn't went up in 20 years too. Bosses wonder why people don't want their shitty jobs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯PhanLo
- And with housing prices going up, those workers are finding it hard to actually live near a place they would work.monospaced
- dibec-1
This is how this shit works.
Round 1 = Virus easily infects all the weak compromised immune systems. (COVID-19)
Round 2 = Virus mutates, attacks all the young/inexperienced immune systems. (Delta Variant)
Round 3 = Virus mutates, perfects transmission and replication in the human host system. Attacks all immune systems regardless of strength and vaccination. (Delta Variant + Blitzkrieg)
Rounds 4 = Mutates again. (Delta Variant + Blitzkrieg + Mass Body Bags)
Etc. Etc. Etc.
Remember, this crossed species and it was not really supposed to (Animal to Human). It's learning about us, I mean our human body. In each round, the virus slowly perfects itself as using us a host and learns how to thrive.
You have to stop the cycle. That is how we win.
- *correction* remember this was engineered in a lab to be a super viral virus...shapesalad
- Also it's learn about us and it's learning about the vaccine. If eg the whole world got vaxed by 6pm Friday... we'd have a 99.9% chance of ending this.shapesalad
- ^ All of that.
Don't think we'll win anytime soon (remember initial estimates were well into 2023)grafician - we don't know if it was engineered in a lab, lolmonospaced
- shapesalad2
https://images.jpost.com/image/u…
Double-blind study shows ivermectin reduces disease’s duration and infectiousness • FDA and WHO caution against its use
- uan1
from a link on page 1 of this thread
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.c…
- api-1
Rewind << Expert says that UK could face ‘100,000 new Covid cases a day’ by July if restrictions are lifted! An open letter published early July in The Lancet expressed concerns the complete removal of pandemic restrictions are dangerous.
>> Now the result surprised all the experts. (see graph)
The number of cases is falling rapidly in UK and in the Netherlands.
What does we learn about future lockdowns and exponential growth? What does we learn about predictions from experts?
Does UK have an advantage when winter comes if so many gain natural immunity especially the young who largely have only mild courses?
crazy times!
- I think the lesson is that we can’t just release restrictions so quickly.monospaced
- they all went on vacation ?uan
- We can see why people go ape shit as predictions and restrictions are so off the mark. UK's no-restriction policy seems to be working fine due to vaccinations?Ianbolton
- Or is it more tha fact that shit loads of people have it, just not being hospitalised? I know so many people who've deleted the test and trace app too.Ianbolton
- Not sure how we're tracking it nowIanbolton
- Vaccinated people probably don't show symptoms and have little reason to be tested at all.monospaced
- I know more friends and friends of friends with covid right now than ever., but most are vaxxed., not all tho,1 proclaimed last night he wished he had got vax'dfadein11
- It is completely nuts, think it's too early to put down to vaccines, but it's nice to have something unexpected and positive news for a changekingsteven
- It's kinda nuts the testing here, we've an ever replenishing stack of lateral flow tests g/f who works in public facing role does one at least once a weekkingsteven
- Read somewhere recently that 94% of Brits already have antibodies so what a vvirus to do these days...grafician
- ^Make that 94% of adults, but good numbers so it might explain the drop in cases? https://www.thetimes…grafician
- i think we also see that it is often forgotten, even if numbers expon rise, that virus does not take all at the time. So the sky is not the limit.api
- Also it is often overlooked that numbers not only exp rise, but they also fall down exponentially - we saw that also in India.api
- UK Gov't is facing a rock and hard place situation where it really needs economic gains in a post-Brexit reality, so is eager to lift the lid as soon as it can.Nairn
- Been like this since the start, hence our massive early lead in vaccine investment (as w/ US). It's ok though - next pandemic, we'll really know know what to doNairn
- Nairn19
The old boy in our local Dry Cleaners/Clothes fixers - who's sat in the window mending clothes for as long as we've lived there, and likely a few decades more - is in intensive care with Covid.
I'm assuming, given his age, his prognosis isn't wonderful - and if so, will be the first person I sorta know to succumb to it.
I was deeply saddened when my partner told me about this earlier. I had a backlog of stuff to to take to him. This sounds selfish, like it's all about my broken clothes, but it's more that I really like this guy's existence, seeing him contentedly working away there each day. I'm sad he won't be a small but appreciated part of my life and I'm sad that I wasn't able to express that to him.
I hope he pulls through. I'm not optimistic.
- pulling for him too Nairn ...
keep us posted.Ramanisky2 - I hope so too Nairn.PhanLo
- Damn Nairn, you hit me with the feelz on this one. You should write something, if you haven’t done it already.monospaced
- Kind words, Nairn... hoping he pulls through.PonyBoy
- thoughtful post.utopian
- that's lovely, Nairn. Thinking of him fondly can't hurt. Hope he's OK.Fax_Benson
- Ouch! It's sad... Hope he can recover :' (OBBTKN
- Give him work. Work gives purpose. If he feels needed he will feel stronger. And kind words and a love letter would be nice.AQUTE
- x_me_
- pulling for him too Nairn ...
- Ramanisky23
- Do we understand that IF all this comes to be true someday, all these < people will never be able to be governable again? Not to mention "trust science"...grafician
- The amount of "told you so"s will be monumental and the country will be divided it will take many generations to undue the hurt, if ever. Scary times...grafician
- The leader of the idiots speaks to all the idiots in the idiot villagedorf
- God this woman makes me sick. Good case for retrospective abortion.BusterBoy
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