Creationist Lies
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- discipler0
Dishonesty again? Please show me where i've been dishonest before, Mimio.
Naturalism in fact does say that there can be no supernatural entity involved in the creation of life/matter. By definition, it's the generation of matter by purely natural processes.
- discipler0
and logically, since the universe had a beginning, it would require something without a beginning to create it, otherwise you end up with something that is part of creation, something that also had a beginning.
- Mimio0
Discipler, that doesn't equate to "nothing" like you have just said. Obviously that's just your attempt to midigate the viewpoint by painting it akin to nihlism or something.
- Mimio0
Discipler,
Read some S. Hawking, he does a really good job explaining Wave Function. It's too complex and lengthy for the PBS.
- discipler0
Are you speaking of harmonic oscillator wavefunctions? If so, I have no idea how this would pertain to the creation of complex life.
- Mimio0
No Discipler, It's one of Hawkings ideas about a Universe Wave Function, in his model of Quantum Mechanics, but it's based on Schrodinger's work. It has everything to do with everything.
- JazX0
Not true, dobs. You either take the literal 6 day creative week in Genesis or you interpret each day as so many thousands of years.
discipler
(Jun 13 05, 12:32)exactly what I was going on about in that one post. Depends on how you interpret Genesis and those days.
- TheTick0
Just came across this. Not really related to our discussion, but I thought it was cool in a related kind of way
- mrdobolina0
so basically, you think it is cool to interpret the bible in different ways to support your point?
- TheTick0
Also kinda deep:
- JazX0
Again, steering back to social issues. It's like beating a dead horse at NT.
This is becoming all too philosophical for my blood.
- TheTick0
JazX - how do you keep it from being philosophical in the end? Really? Or touching on social issues?
ID isn't science. It's propaganda to undermine a line of thought that has fougt christianity for centuries, each ending with radically different world views and their attendant realities.
Look you can argue forever and a day about inconsistencies in argon content in lava, but it doesn't undermine in the end the total scientifice record for dating materials, which is solid.
The fact that ID'ers cherrypick those parts of science that are still in need of exploration and smack a giant "A-ha! A Missing piece! This is where your science becomes inconsistent and God explains it!" is a subtle and purely rhetorical in the end.
A scientist will say "Oh yeah, a missing piece in the knowledge puzzle. We'll work on that and come up with a working model which we will test."
An ID'er will say "Oh..hmm..well that's God you see. Can't explain that, and we'll really NEVER be able to explain that particular bit, and besides the Bible says so.."
- TheTick0
..and what I really want to know is what does Tom Cruise think about all this? WHere doe she come down on these issues?
- JazX0
..and what I really want to know is what does Tom Cruise think about all this? WHere doe she come down on these issues?
TheTick
(Jun 13 05, 13:33)pfft he's a Scientologist. Come one, that's worse than anything we are talking about here. At least we are talking rationaly
- TheTick0
Sorry JazX. I was being flippant.
I have to go and clear myself now...
- JazX0
TheTick, I now know you are Tom Cruise in disguise. Fine you win.
TOP GUN!
but don't forget, I'm Ice Man
- TheTick0
Um, man..you know like Top Gun is the gayest movie ever made...
- TheTick0
..not that there's anything wrong with that...
- xaoscontrol0
scientology.....now that's funny.
- Mimio0
Really?...funnier than the big bad Blood God of the Bible? Nawwww...