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- zarkonite2
https://www.foxbusiness.com/mark…
"General Motors said Monday it is cutting 15 percent of its salaried North American workforce, ending production of some slow-selling vehicles and halting production at several plants."
Good thing they got bailed out and had their taxes slashed, otherwise they might choose to act like dicks! They say they want to focus on making electric cars, so why can't they just retrain their current workforce?
- bailing them out was a waste of taxpayer money. GM shoulda been left to bankkrupt and go away a loooong time ago.chukkaphob
- What is your take on goldman sachs, jackass?BonSeff
- namecalling ALWAYS says a lot about you and your strong argument points you've made or are about to make!chukkaphob
- as do your shitty economic takes.BonSeff
- #thermodynamicsmonospaced
- Agreed they should have been allowed to naturally fail.instrmntl
- @chukka +1Krassy
- https://pbs.twimg.co…Gnash
- R_Kercz0
Ars Technica : "Trump proposes a government-run TV news network to counter CNN"
- chukkaphob0
It's somewhat troubling that Mueller is still investigating.
I can't stand Trump('s personality) and hope he's brought to justice if he DID engage in collusion. But one would think by now Mueller should have a smoking gun or nada.
It's been such a loooong time investigating.
This is not a good look for the nation or the world as it's watching the US "investigate" .
Why are this guy and his team unable to investigate in a timely manner?! WTF is going on here?
- It's been only 18 months. Mueller took on several investigations. There have been dozens of indictments and eight guilty pleas. Manafort's in prison.monospaced
- He's recently sent subpoenas to several involved firms, and several people have provided testimony. It's obviously a very deep case that takes time.monospaced
- If anything, I'd say the investigation has been quite revealing, and I commend them in taking their time to do things thorough and correctly.monospaced
- Watergate took 2 years. According to Fox News, Benghazi is still going!zarkonite
- Never forget... BENGHAAAAZIRamanisky2
- OK, you do make some very good/strong points, actually. Thanks.chukkaphob
- yeah, it's only the largest national security / mob / criminal case in the history of the US, hurry up already!johnny_wobble
- A judge just ruled this week that russian collusion during the election is a crime, something that Trump claimed otherwise several times for the last 2 years.monospaced
- A good question to ask is: Why would Trump's team insist repeatedly that collusion isn't a crime if they aren't guilty?monospaced
- ^ this.chukkaphob
- you also make a great point ... if there is something big, give it to us!monospaced
- Yeah like all the indictments are nothing...Salarrue
- no, they aren't, but they aren't the "thing" every good american is really hoping for, and that Trump is shitting bricks overmonospaced
- ^ + this.chukkaphob
- chukkaphob-7
- Thanks capitalism?Salarrue
- Thanks OhBummer.
:-(PhanLo - Meaning what? Curious what ur motive in posting this.yuekit
- @PhanLo LOL @ "OhBummer "!chukkaphob
- thanks plunging oil prices due to fracking encouraged by the obama administrationsarahfailin
- it seems for every legitimate 100 trump embarrassments, alt right trolls find 1 inane thing Obama has done... like stumbling on a teleprompter...inteliboy
- Cmon guys he literally rode in a car that was later discontinued....MAGAyuekit
- I'm not even sure what the criticism is. All Obama did was give auto makers and buyers incentives to go electric. That was and is a good thing.monospaced
- Chevy made ugly expensive cars that nobody bought, and that's on them. Plus oil prices dropped.monospaced
- I bet he has an AudiPhanLo
- oh I think I get it, Obama killed the car industry! Did I win?!?!zarkonite
- Why they bailed out the company that produced the Hummer when everyone else was trying to be green is beyond me. The market spoke.....twice!instrmntl
- breitbart, the best in journalism™jaylarson
- yuekit2
https://www.theguardian.com/us-n…
Paul Manafort and Julian Assange were working together?
Manafort held secret talks with Assange in Ecuadorian embassy, sources say
- The plot thinsyuekit
- "WikiLeaks launches legal fund to sue the Guardian for publishing entirely fabricated story"Gnash
- It could be wrong of course, but if anyone takes Assange and Wikileaks’ word at face value they are incredibly naiveyuekit
- true thatGnash
- These dots are really starting to connect themselves. If this stuff can be proven it'll be one hell of a movie.formed
- what i still don't get about this whole wikileaks thing; why shouldn't the GOP have used the info gleaned from the leaks? the stuff was was trueGnash
- I would hope that had it been the other way around that the Dems would have done the same.Gnash
- ^ yup. politicians are fucked, no matter what side.inteliboy
- yuekit4
Two months before WikiLeaks released emails stolen from the Clinton campaign, right-wing conspiracy theorist Jerome Corsi sent an email to former Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone anticipating the document dump, according to draft court papers obtained by NBC News.
- And the people that follow Corsi will handwave a wall of evidence, but believe in Pizzagate. It's astounding.garbage
- ********-5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?ti…
A few things I like is the vid is done by a foreign chic easy on the eyes. Always great they use examples of people who have experienced what is being preached vs those who have never experienced anything they are selling. Hard to buy a vacuum cleaner from someone who has never used one while trying to read the manufacture notes.
Dont like the soundbyte style. but this is the game for todays audiences.
- i still question whom benefits voting up or down. well not really. its AB testing to push the best drivel to the top. i just don't see qbn's gain in the system********
- they don't capitalize on users. There's no need to control for majority. still very curious of the their end goals on such a thing********
- your links starts 41s. 1st thing she said is socialism "always leads to violence". Given the deeply violent culture of USA i would say her claim needs reviewinglowimpakt
- I stopped watching after that because if that is the level of analysis it's not worth watchinglowimpakt
- im sorry low i didn't know copy paste post start at a set time. just go to the beginning. as far as socialism violence vs usa violence... well you need more********
- than the generalizations which she details. Were not talking us civil war violence, more just functioning systems of gov in western world vs others********
- nicuarage(sp dk), venezuela, eastern blocks. Violence has historically been more prevalent in such systems********
- If you tune it out without watching it through I wonder if you are just confirming your own bias?********
- I also ask you Low to describe your view of the deeply violent culture of the US. Only in understanding your view of what that means can we begin to make compar********
- isons********
- The US has been at war in some form for almost the entirety of its existence https://en.wikipedia…lowimpakt
- but what ideals created the war low? was it not collective interest?********
- Im sure the my sentiments don't change based on the politics or war.this isnt about look theres war. its what causes it********
- and your wiki link was broken. but i get the jist of your approach. if you want to explain wars happens less with mob rule********
- i think you will be challenged. I dont know where war hasn't evolved from some strong collectivist view********
- you could argue the north in the civil war had a strong collective view point in they worked together********
- however there view was founded in individual rights. the south was collective********
- and yes sometimes collectives can and do help the individual cause. many exist with claims they do such things. but few do.********
- i still question whom benefits voting up or down. well not really. its AB testing to push the best drivel to the top. i just don't see qbn's gain in the system
- ********-3
@mono
Since you have presented no individual thought of your own on my thoughts why embarassingly mocking them I'll go forth and break them down. Second law of thermodynamics is focused on entrophy which can be a measure of order/disorder within a system. There is no reason you cannot apply the physics to social systems. Unless you provide one "wink wink".
In this case entrophy can be seen as self interests. Some self interests do good some do bad. All a bit of unpredictable chaos within a system. And to get a little deeper most of existence is largely binary. 0/1 up/down left/right true/false etc... Don't need to much math to see it. The binary nature is related to the nature of the entrophy order/disorder. I think as humans(and what we are. ie not ants) there are two modes of movement. Individualism/collectivism. I see individualism as the more energy intensive entrophy that progresses human kind. Collectivism as the negative easy energy entrophy trying to stagnify a system into a collective 0/death/status quo until rebirth. I will say collectivism has had it merits in brutal force of like mindness to overthrow things, but the times it prevails can closely be associated with individualist interests working together vs the tribal nature of it. Hard to objectively prove but take it for what its worth.
If we look historically we see individual entrophy has helped progress so much and enrich lives even though things are unequal. while collectivist entrophy has helped equalize lives to misery suffering and death.
Now with this said I really wouldn't be surprised even if the last great free nation (last real discovered so fresh) doesn't fall to the easy basic entrophy of collectivism. Again historically it is part of all systems as nature with the seasons. When a system is equal/dead/inert it takes the least amount of energy to change or rebirth. However historically we are rare in we were mostly migrants of people who saw the failing systems, that burned over and over again. As humans progressed you must wonder if room or land to grow free on was not a catalyst to grow from fucked systems. Being the last will we succumb to similar history of the rest of the world. Is entrophy of our system continental or global? Is the US the last stage of growth entrophy before we sink to find the great equalizer of death.
And mono these are thoughts. Not copy and pasted opinions. I don't declare them to be right or wrong. Just thinking of shit and finding new ways to perceive the world for a better perspective. If you want to participate in the conversation and test your own theories in the realm of reason and ideas please do so. But don't be such a trivial child and do the hashtag projecting emo value bullshit, IE "look at this crap #whatever". Only idiots respond to that shit. Only an idiot will respond to the emotional response and ignore you failed to qualify your response with any reason.
You can also look it up. Even though i thought of the connection on my own it seems im far from the first. But than again no different when i thought of magnetic turbines playing with magnets. Or even a logo for a company that turned out to be almost identical to another company in another field. We live small in our heads and forget how much has already been thought of. And in our lifespan we can never absorb anywhere near the full knowledge that exists from the best and brightest 1 percenters.
But again I encourage you to think about it and offer a rebuttal based on your own thinking. Forget the insults you think bother me or whether they make you feel alpha. I cant tell you how much I dont give a shit compared to interacting with a person thinking and reasoning on their own. You think maybe I'm focused on you and probably only because you or utopian and a few sketchy others seem to be the primary responders. I think if I have your attention maybe I can get you to think independently. Help you out of your status quo view. And dont think of it as charity as others sell it. I dont give a fuck if you disagree independently as long as you have your own reason. Just have your own honest reason.
Hell the most recent thing about you acting all republicanish in stocks was the the first honest thing I think I've seen from you. I also think it's because liberal millenial types can invest in stocks while protesting wallstreet.. regardless it shows your true nature of fuck everyone but myself and family, and that is honesty that is so simple but no one will admit because its not PC.
In other words I want better responses out of you if you engage. ignore trying to bite with insults like a rabid dog. counter arguments with reason. Be more like ukit. He is probably still the only person who actually tries to have a discourse of ideas.
- @mono
why is this not true?
can you post facts please. to debunk.******** - well ukit posts alot of bias without personal insight. he has in past given it some true independent thought. so not saying copy his post style********
- just his independent thinking when challenged********
- I do not endorse soundofreason. His views which sometimes i agree with are executed in a style which i find only helps create diversity********
- soundofreason you might be more of the osho styling in offering truth in the harshest manner to possible to test worth********
- but what osho/rand offered in testing people did nothing for their growth. Its not about shaming.... i guess really you haven't said anything to that aspect********
- So, you do not endorse diversity?********
- but i get the feeling that is your intention like saying "yea mono dont bitch out and explain" is not educational in thought. More agenda related.********
- i have no problem with diversity, but im capable of seeing agendas and i am skeptical of yours********
- this isnt about gang mentality. if you added something of a highlight i missed or personal insight that is different. you jumped on band wagon as a follower********
- Like a YEA! in a angry mob. I am far more critical of who supports my ideas than the angry mob that tries to dispel them with insults.********
- You're right, I basically just tagged the post and grabbed some popcorn. I enjoy these exchanges between members.********
- I think it's a good that there are users like you sharing their unique ideas but even you agreed that you weren't articulating them well.********
- My original comment on this post was in reference to: https://www.qbn.com/…********
- And though I am adding fuel to the fire for my own entertainment I don't remember ever insulting you or your ideas.********
- If you were more clear and concise I could give you my honest opinion.********
- You can laugh at or shake head at irrational attitudes and they might like bandwagoning, but its not our types. its a huge red flag********
- haha why is that thread mostly filled ex qbn users my gut associates with you. Im not upset. i just not sure your methods are the bes tin changing minds********
- maybe i give to much and try to coerce. maybe i have more hope in change.********
- your are real. just not sure your intentions. I like you mentioned my own confidence in articulation. shows you do read.********
- Keep doing your thing.********
- but now of course mono will probably bite on our discourse than anything in the post.... i expected it, but gives an easy out********
- hehe. ill do me until the end. u do you, despite what i may think of your methods until the end. sorry for not blindly loveing any support********
- in this small demographic. Im a postman fan and very skeptical of information sources and incentive structures of social systems.********
- maybe someone will try to negate any post by stating we are the same person.********
- maybe someone will try to negate any post by stating we are the same person.********
- When you say everything comes down to individual vs. collectivist isn’t that kind of black and white thinking? I don’t think the world works that way.yuekit
- One thing I noticed through traveling a lot, in societies that don’t have as much government and social programs (such as in the developing world), people areyuekit
- forced to be much more reliant on their families. Kids take care of the parents when they get old for instance b/c no social security, Medicare, etc.yuekit
- So it’s either collectivism of the family or the kind of anonymous, neutral collectivism of the state. Not sure which one actually makes you more “free.”yuekit
- Lol just lolrobotron3k
- You should really think about starting a YouTube channel.ben_
- I'm thinking of starting a podcast with QBN members.********
- These debates between members are only a performance for the crowd anyway. Nobody is changing anybody's mind.********
- Yeah, well I wouldn't say it's the highest quality debate, tbh.ben_
- what debate?monospaced
- Good point.ben_
- yuekit you always pull through unlike others. you make a valid point of collectivism at the micro level********
- as in some union collective bargaining rights. but these collectives are created out of non gov entities and for collective purpose********
- the only reason I ever visited chiapas was a propaghandi song talking about their democratic solutions to centralized control********
- still a little backwards in burning people alive. also in dealing with modern society and industrialization and zapista roadblocks********
- but they were vibrant and community based but still lacking in what we think is normal. And that may be a by product of choosing community over individualistic********
- advancements. the idea of survival of fittest or basic hayek economic theory is diversity and individuals not collectively organized********
- in companies or unions or anything will bring about far better advancement than collectively controlled societies********
- And yes i think from a fundamental point it is very black and white. That doesn't mean i dont see the inbetween. It just means i acknowledge the baselines********
- the baselines that individual is far greater than collective in my moral standing. if you look at any political policy crossing lines they all hold individual********
- @mono
- monospaced-1
#entrophy
- haha. dont you wonder why you mask your inability to respond? fuck it would frustrate the hell out of me********
- but thats me. and all people are different. this is tolerance in ability of thinking and discussion. I might think you are too stupid too express views********
- but i respect your right to do so. Even petition or vote on irrational and self serving laws. I don't choose to insult, just use reason.********
- can you see the difference? By not even trying to reason an argument you are like the inbred nigger haters that dress as ghosts. hiding behind false pride********
- Have you not noticed that you have never attempted to debate your hash tags? Im curious if you know actually know you are avoiding the questions********
- I've seen plenty of people unable to confront basic truths. I cant help but wonder if you might fall into this category********
- everything you just wrote about me here is not only absolutely false, it only exposes your insane obsession with me, which you should addressmonospaced
- it's spelled "entropy" you duncemonospaced
- again a statement with no attempt at backing it with reason. usually it is followed with your statement is false because...********
- the spelling attack probably more a structural support belief in your own narrative. its too grade school for a strawmen arguement********
- you do understand how reason works and how we as a species grow and advance by challenging reasoning? we do not advance by merely making statements********
- or are you doing the trump thing. i raised stock market! no reason necessary just unqualified statements/opinions********
- I don't need to qualify my statement about myself. Everything you wrote and assumed about me is false. I am confident in that.monospaced
- Of course i know how reason works. I'm quite good at it. Clearly better than you, as I am clearly more educated and better positioned in society.monospaced
- One would reason, reasonably, that someone who can't spell entropy probably doesn't even know what it is. That's you, reasonably.monospaced
- no you do need to qualify them. your confidence in things you believe without backing doesn't stand to reason********
- gets into the religion aspect of belief and faith over reason. if you had reason you would not focus on type over ideas.********
- layout basic idea and you challenge spelling over any aspect. try and deny any reason needed to back any views accept you are confident********
- and feel more important in your belief of education and position in society to your idea of mine (rich sitcom bully?)********
- Your type is more likely to stones witches for things you know nothing about.********
- if i lived that way and only relied on my belief than every challenge is an insult or a threat********
- i kind of feel bad for you living with that fear. but lifes too short to short for that. But does make realize your type is no different********
- the hillbilly south pride guy with faith in his religion who tries to deny reason to qualify any statements about his world views********
- lol, entrophymonospaced
- I don't live with any fear. I'm pretty confident my life is better than yours in every way, and that my offspring will as well.monospaced
- Once again. You're making up things about me. And you're 100% wrong. OF COURSE I Don't have to qualify that. It's just basic facts that I know.monospaced
- Another fact: you don't know how to spell entropy, which leads me to believe you either are stupid, or just badly educated. Or just a bad speller. Reason.monospaced
- And I kinda feel bad for you. You are in a lesser position in society and poorly educated. Your future won't be as bright, and neither will your children's.monospaced
- well if you feel that way about me i guess i have the right to your money and assets right? equality is bringing me up to the level you think you are at********
- lol, wut? put down the crack pipe ;)monospaced
- haha. dont you wonder why you mask your inability to respond? fuck it would frustrate the hell out of me
- yuekit2
How a future Trump Cabinet member gave a serial sex abuser the deal of a lifetime
Palm Beach multimillionaire Jeffrey Epstein, 54, was accused of assembling a large, cult-like network of underage girls — with the help of young female recruiters — to coerce into having sex acts behind the walls of his opulent waterfront mansion as often as three times a day, the Town of Palm Beach police found.
The eccentric hedge fund manager, whose friends included former President Bill Clinton, Donald Trump and Prince Andrew, was also suspected of trafficking minor girls, often from overseas, for sex parties at his other homes in Manhattan, New Mexico and the Caribbean, FBI and court records show.
- He only did 13th months the worstcunt. Friends in low places, he should have got life.PhanLo
- That’s insane.Ramanisky2
- I dont find the story insane. But i do find relevance in the headline. No where in the story did i find "future trump cabinet member"********
- i have no intention of calling the story credibility into question. Just the headline accusations.********
- if i recall didn't trump insinuate bill was part of pedo flights on campaign trail. but no real strong media reporting.********
- Its this media that I question. First a misleading headline and not much of a whisper when brought up.********
- I cant say without a doubt what is real what Im not directly connected to. But this has some BS smell to it. Not that you can back any of it up yuekit********
- just saying it doesn't smell right especially based on the headline.********
- The guy who let him off with a super light sentence is now Trump’s labor secretary. It’s in the first sentence of the article :)yuekit
- The story does seem slightly insane to me. Not only did he only get 13 months sentence, he got to leave prison and go work in his normal office everyday.yuekit
- And then the NYC DA (a Dem) tried to convince a judge to remove his sex offender status. Seems obvious some strings were being pulled for this guy.yuekit
- Oh sry ukit my bad. I thought he was a future cabinet member. You search the future/cabinet words and find 0 mentions in article it confused me********
- but still the headline. A "future" trump guy. So the content is before the pick. And the dirty content is of a non trump pick character********
- The guy that trump insinuated hooked bill up with under age prostitutes on flights...i still see something wrong in the way the article is written********
- Wouldn't it be more precise and on point to focus on how a political dirtbag with dealings got off like most political dirtbags do.********
- Can even ignore if evidence points to certain dirtbag dealings they might not also link to other insinuations. But jsut keep it about********
- the political injustice of the well connected vs trying to relate it to buzz worthy trump for clicks********
- im tired of sensationalist journalism that caters to clicks. Write a well balanced piece on power and the parties involved. Focus on an idea********
- a simple one of power. its ability to corrupt and use evidence based on this case on how it corrupts absolutely. follow up with a reminder on why its********
- better for limited power and to check control. journalism has turned to entertainment. i think this is written for clicks not journo IMHO********
- Both Clinton and Trump are/were friends with Jeffrey Epstein so it's not at all a stretch to connect Trump to him.yuekit
- If they were friends why'd he use "russia" to to ruin hilary? again i think the article woudl be best written as a non partisan piece********
- but one that looks at abuse of power and corruption, you can tie it into both parties abuses about how they are no different********
- these political figures stand for nothing not even friends when its about the show and display to advance careers. its an act********
- Eh what...it's a simple fact that the guy in the article cut a deal for Epstein, was then appointed by Trump to run the Labor Department.yuekit
- Given that the Epstein story is old news (although strangely uncovered by media at the time), the Trump connection is what makes it newsworthy.yuekit
- robotron3k-3
@mono
It's gonna be okay... Here is a Grumpy Bear to make you feel better.
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- Trumpyrobotron3k
- Greatest Freudian slip ever. Way to continually set the bar low robo.hobgoblin
- excuse me?monospaced
- at least I didn't embarrass myself in an incoherent rant about thermodynamics and politics while spelling entropy wrong a dozen timesmonospaced
- GRUMPY BEAR ftw. nice one robo, kicking yourself square in your own ass. thanks for the laugh.capn_ron
- I'm very funny capnrobotron3k
- But mono is grumpy about Trumpy...robotron3k
- Well. He’s the worst president in history. I’m not alone.monospaced
- Back to the kid's table, robo.garbage
- allthethings1
LOL
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bi…
‘Birds Aren’t Real’ Is the Conspiracy Theory Mocking QAnon
In an age where outlandish theories command national attention, members of Generation Z have turned disinformation into performance art.
- PhanLo1
It's the beginning of the end. Again.
- ********0
- Fax_Benson0
US / Saudi block Yemen ceasefire
https://www.theguardian.com/worl…
Looks like Hunt might be a better Foreign Secretary than he was Health Secretary
- renderedred5
- DUDE-BRO!! A FUCKING BONE SAW! BRING IT IN, DOGG!BonSeff
- you sit next to me must behave, or I chop you up. Hahahaha. Just joking. You are good guy.Fax_Benson
- lol at commentsRamanisky2
- lol ^^Gnash
- Putin: "I like the bedsheet you're wearing. And the tablecloth on your head and your black halo"
MBS: "thanks, my dawgy!"chukkaphob - I kill loads of journalists too, bring it in.PhanLo
- lol at commentsKrassy
- true power comes with the ability to wear silly costumes at world gatherings._niko
- – well done bro!
– yo bro thanks! you received that bloody souvenir?
– sure,thanks! it's hanging in my living room.
– wait till you see the next one!******** - Putin, you son of a bitch!********
- https://i.imgur.com/…Ramanisky2
- lol at commentsbulletfactory
- Trump thinking, 'I wish I could kill journalists'.PhanLo
- "you got the little-handed bitch on a leash too, bro!" - "quick sit down he's here."ben_
- ^ LOL indeed!********
- this was fucking nicely orchestratedsted
- BonSeff1
"Arrived in Argentina with a very busy two days planned. Important meetings scheduled throughout. Our great Country is extremely well represented. Will be very productive!"
- man, I know that the Boca vs River plate situation has gotten out of hand but do we really need a summit for this?_niko
- ^ LOL!********
- hahaFax_Benson
- chukkaphob0
- woahh, SOMEBODY's gonna get laid in college.sarahfailin
- Not as sexy as your other postsrobotron3k
- ukit have you ever read huxleys island? i feel like thats is what you desire, but its only practical if everyone thinks the same way. and we historically know********
- about forcing ppl to think the same way and if it works.********
