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- CygnusZero40
Im sure if this nut that did these theater killings was not able to legally obtain weapons would have just gone on to be a normal upstanding citizen, working a normal job, have some kids and all his obvious mental problems would have just dissipated, due to not being able to register a handgun. lulz
- albums0
tunnel vision is strong with the anti gun group. to them guns = violence, therefore eliminating guns eliminates violence, like eliminating silverware will prevent the nation from eating..
- You cant eliminate guns. That's the issue. Laws wont change any of what's going on here.CygnusZero4
- oh i know, this may be the first topic we agree on.albums
- Some people are ignorant and dont realize what the true root of the problem is.CygnusZero4
- Trouble with gun people is your vitriol. We're talking about regulation, not taking away your precious metal.monkeyshine
- CanHasQBN0
Cyg, what do you have to say about the below stats?
"So how do you explain 48 gun deaths in the UK, vs 30,000 in the US?
Adjusted for population, its about 250 vs 30,000."It's not about one little law "straightening some guys ass out". It's about making it very very difficult, if not impossible for a nutcase to obtain a weapon. I don't understand how a person can be against this idea.
I really would like to hear why you think gun laws will not do anything, when obviously, the stats say otherwise.
Your opinion does not trump stats.
- as i said .014 percent of gun owners committed crimes, not discerning illegal possession or notalbums
- fourteen thousandths of a percent.albums
- I'd start by revising your 30k figure down by about 75%.melq
- your plan is to hate on the other 99.986%albums
- really?albums
- Um, albums, "14 thousands of a percent" is .00014CanHasQBN
- http://www.google.co…CanHasQBN
- albums0
i wonder if we eliminated apple products if we'd rid the world of smug jerks?
oh wait was that an unfair generalization?
because it seems pretty accurate.
- Lol, this guy obviously understands the root of the problem, and it isnt laws.CygnusZero4
- CygnusZero40
Canhas, do you understand that it is NOT difficult to obtain weapons outside of the law? That's the point here. It's the same all around the world. The issue in the US is not laws, it's the type of people that live here, and the amount of them due to the size and population. You can find websites that will send you weapons and ammo right now. US laws dont have any control over that.
The fact is there are a shit ton of gangs and lowlifes in the US, far more than there is in the UK, and these are the people really adding to these numbers. There are hundreds of deaths in the slums of Cali every year, with unregistered weapons. So it's very obvious right there laws have no bearing on what they're doing out there. It's the amount of shit heads there. End of story.
- CanHasQBN0
You say "it's the type of people that live here, and the amount of them due to the size and population."
Size and population of a country has nothing to do with those stats. The UK death rate has been adjusted to match the US's population. It's simple fractions.
Yes, there are many messed up people out there. Like I said though, I'd rather be confronted by a crazy person without a gun, than a crazy person WITH a gun.
So what is your solution to address this root problem of crazy people? Are you proposing an enormous increase in social services, so that there isn't a single mentally ill or poor, desperate person in the country?
How do you know that it's easy to obtain weapons outside of law? Obviously people in the UK are having trouble. You say one can buy weapons and ammo online right now, and that US laws have no control over that. Answer: Shut down those websites. The US shuts down all types of websites all the time, from music downloading to kiddy porn. Where do you get the idea that the government has no power to do this?
Look at the evidence. A blind person can see what works and what isn't working.
- weapon makers lobby congress... pirate and kiddy porn websites do notdijitaq
- CanHasQBN0
NRA promotes fear. Fear = gun sales.
I can't believe you buy into this bullshit. You are a part of the problem. You might not have murdered anyone, but you owning a gun makes other people want to own a gun, and makes people scared and paranoid of each other. Let me shoot this fucker before he might shoot me first...
- CanHasQBN0
And your "laws don't work" crap is bullshit. Especially when you say people smoke marijuana all the time here.
It's how the law is enforced. It's the punishment. If the punishment if lenient, people will take the risk. Catch me with pot? I'll take the slap on the wrist.
Enforce laws well enough, and they are effective. Singapore will kill you for having drugs. Nobody in that country would dare to have any drugs.
I'm not saying ban drugs. I'm saying enforce the laws. Enforce a gun law well enough, and you will see crime rates drop.
- albums0
This thread is a bunch of people complaining that a few others are within their rights. They then continue bitching at the minority for exercising those rights in a responsible manner while continuing to compare them to criminals. Now who's the burden again?
- albums0
Someday people on this board will learn that I don't care at all about a subjective opinion your sharing as an armchair activist.
I don't care what you think is right or wrong, subjective opinion is irrelevant to rational discussion.
- BusterBoy0
I'm almost at the point where I couldn't give a fuck what the USA does with its gun laws. If people are so ridiculous to make arguments like "cars kill double what guns do...why don't we ban cars" or claim they have some inherent right to own an automatic weapon that can carry a 100 round magazine...then go ahead...knock yourselves out. You're past the point of no return.
- BusterBoy0
^^ and I know that will probably come across as heartless...but it's like banging your head against a brick wall arguing a point with some people.
- albums0
2010
8902 murdered with guns
32,885 dead from carsAs you keep on and on about guns, you completely ignore the loss of life at almost a 400% increase from cars.
How you can dismiss the deaths of car victims is beside me. If accidents with cars can kill this many people, why does no one care?
Is it because you got a blowjob in a car? It's convenient and you deem it a necessity? You like your car and it's fun? You have a connection with a rolling cage of steel?
There are nearly 33,000 people dead from transportation and only 25% of that number dead from guns but you have no problem with car deaths? You sick sadistic, twisted, selfish, people. sad.
If you disregard these stats, you're lying when you say your goal is to preserve life. You could save more lives by eliminating cigarettes and automobiles.
Stop accepting their resulting deaths because you get a personal sense of satisfaction from their use. There is no need for cigarettes, they only kill and harm humans.
Worldwide, tobacco use causes more than 5 million deaths per year. In that same year, 1.2 million deaths from cars. I can't find a number but at 25% we'll say 300,000 dead by guns annually worldwide but that has to be way too high because as has been stated before, the rest of the worlds stats are much much lower.
Now, are you trying to preserve life, or are you trying to abolish guns?
- I have no problem with abolishing guns AND cars. Zero problem. Cars are as much shit as guns.CanHasQBN
- albums0
Found the number, annually 100,693 dead worldwide from guns
cars: 1.2 million dead vs guns: 100,693 dead
smoking: 5 million dead vs guns: 100,693 deadNow again, preserving life or abolishing guns?
- CanHasQBN0
Ban cars. I am ALL for it.
Your smoking stats are worthless. It is a personal choice and act that affects your own self and body. When smoking might affect another person's body, laws are (and have been) put into place prohibiting it (no smoking in restaurants, indoors, bars, etc.).