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- Meeklo0
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with all due respect, I believe its not about religion, its about PEOPLE, the same book that inspires a priest to take advantage of a child, is the same book that inspires mother theresa to become a missionary.
- teleos0
scarabin, a cursory glance back at the 20th century will show you that more people died at the hands of atheist/materialist regimes than in all prior centuries due to "religious conflict". See: Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin's Gulag's, etc...
- I think you have your history facts incorrect there.Meeklo
- Do the research and get back to me.teleos
- The open interpretations of religions (of all sorts, not just christians) is and will always be the number 1 cause of warsMeeklo
- he has every 'fact' wrong.
Like every other time he tries to introduce them, in every thread for the last 5 years.mikotondria3 - I implore you do the same teleos.Meeklo
- 250mil native-americans were killed in the name of conversion BY HAND, that's the biggest massacre in recorded history.zarkonite
- hitsuji0
to me. the fact there is not one single definitive religion in the world is proof enough that it's all a load of balls. but there's nothing i can do about it, so i wont let myself get worked up about it.
- monospaced0
a cursory glance back at this millenium will show you that more people died at the hands of religious fanatics (crusades, etc) than by anything else, ever
a lot of the modern conflicts are still fighting over this shit
- except for car wrecks, maybe...hahahamonospaced
- LOL! Wrong. Want to give it another try; this time with statistics?teleos
- GetRefresh0
by creating this thread, meeklo just reminds me of a far left, righteous, privileged, Obama-loving shit disturber.
Do any of these titles fit, meeklo?
- eating_tv0
*sits down with a bowl of popcorn, a cup of coffee and a Print Screen button*
- Meeklo0
teleos, you put galileo on your previous list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gal…I'm 100% in favor of the right to everyone to choose what they want to believe in, please know that my intention was never to attack christianity, this thread got out of control, but in a sense is a reflection of how this subject agitates people in real life.
- monospaced0
Biblical Atrocities
* Exodus 32: 3,000 Israelites killed by Moses for worshipping the golden calf.
* Numbers 31: After killing all men, boys and married women among the Midianites, 32,000 virgins remain as booty for the Israelites. (If unmarried girls are a quarter of the population, then 96,000 people were killed.)
* Joshua:
o Joshua 8: 12,000 men and women, all the people of Ai, killed.
o Joshua 10: Joshua completely destroys Gibeon ("larger than Ai"), Makeddah, Libnah, Lachish, Eglon, Hebron, Debir. "He left no survivors."
o Joshua 11: Hazor destroyed. [Paul Johnson, A History of the Jews (1987), estimates the population of Hazor at ?> 50,000]
o TOTAL: if Ai is average, 12,000 x 9 = 108,000 killed.
* Judges 1: 10,000 Canaanites k. at Battle of Bezek. Jerusalem and Zephath destroyed.
* Judges 3: ca. 10,000 Moabites k. at Jordan River.
* Judges 8: 120,000 Midianite soldiers k. by Gideon
* Judges 20: Benjamin attacked by other tribes. 25,000 killed.
* 1 Samuel 4: 4,000 Isrealites killed at 1st Battle of Ebenezer/Aphek. 30,000 Isr. k. at 2nd battle.
* David:
o 2 Samuel 8: 22,000 Arameans of Damascus and 18,000 Edomites killed in 2 battles.
o 2 Samuel 10: 40,000 Aramean footsoldiers and 7,000 charioteers killed at Helam.
o 2 Samuel 18: 20,000 Israelites under Absalom killed at Ephraim.
* 1 Kings 20: 100,000 Arameans killed by Israelites at Battle of Aphek. Another 27,000 killed by collapsing wall.
* 2 Chron 13: Judah beat Israel and inflicted 500,000 casualties.
* 2 Chron 25: Amaziah, king of Judah, k. 10,000 from Seir in battle and executed 10,000 POWs. Discharged Judean soldiers pillaged and killed 3,000.
* 2 Chron 28: Pekah, king of Israel, slew 120,000 Judeans
* TOTAL: That comes to about 1,283,000 mass killings specifically enumerated in the Bible. The battle of 2_Chron_13 is so much larger than all the others that we probably should doubt it.- But those were all good kills. God sorted them out. It's cool.TheBlueOne
- hahaha! TBO comes in with his patented ZINGER!GetRefresh
- Zinger? Um, no. "Fact" for some people.TheBlueOne
- Nobody understands justice anymore.Scotch_Roman
- designbot0
mono, There are many parables, metaphors, anthropomorphisms in the Bible that are not meant to be read literally. The Christians who read everything from the Bible in a wooden literal sense are practicing bad theology, plain and simple. Here are some examples of each:
Anthropamorphism:
Psalm 34:15, "The eyes of the Lord are toward the righteous, and His ears are open to their cry." God attributes human like characteristics to himself to convey a message.Parable:
"No man puts a piece of new cloth upon an old garment; for that which is put in to fill it up takes from the garment, and the rent is made worse. Neither do men put new wine into old bottles, else the bottles break, and the wine runs out, and the bottles perish; but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved." I can assure Jesus is not trying to teach a lesson on wineskins here.Metaphor:
"If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink, (John 7:37)."
Jesus is certainly not talking about drinking here, but about thirsting for spiritual knowledge.So you can see plainly, the Bible was never meant to be read 100% literally. It is a mistake and bad theology to do so, and usually stems from lack of Biblical understanding.
- dude, those were just BIBLICAL massacres...real or not they have some truth to themmonospaced
- a text out of context becomes a pretext.teleos
- designbot0
Sorry mono, the above was in response to this:
"What I don't understand is why most reformed Christians take some of the Bible to be fact and the rest as metaphor. The fanatics like to believe each and every word as the bottom line, but as time passes more and more of the Bible goes up for interpretation and less as dogma. If you believe some, why not believe all?"...not your last post :)
- ^Meeklo
- oooooh...that loophole works for all arguments that the Bible is just a bunch of hogwashmonospaced
- monospaced0
I love how in Jesus Camp they teach the kids that Dinosaurs roamed the Earth with Man. Hahahahahahaha!
- there is no proof that they didn't. There are ancient drawings that depict dinosaur like creatures, no?designbot
- There is so much goddamned proof it's not even funny. Go to a fucking NATURAL HISTORY MUSEUM for Christ's sake.monospaced
- teleos0
Response to Old Testament atrocities:
- So exactly like I said, to the xtian, all good kills. God sorted it out.TheBlueOne
- monospaced0
Hey designbot, did it ever occur to you that Jesus himself was just a metaphor and maybe he wasn't God's son? If so much can be left to interpretation, why not the miracles?
Did it ever occur to you that religion is stronger when the masses are less educated? During the dark ages it was believed that the plague was an act of the Devil, but it was just a disease. Eh, I digress.
- What about the extra-biblical documents that exist and document Jesus as a living breathing person?designbot
- Oh it occurred to me. Which is why I took the time to look at all available evidence.teleos
- have you done this?teleos
- http://www.carm.org/…designbot
- So, if he was a living breathing person, how could he be God?monospaced
- God..in flesh. Who performed many documented miracles and predicted future events with uncanny detail.designbot
- nearly all his disciples died willingly in horrific ways to attest to these truths.designbot
- I think there is enough historical evidence that Jesus was a real dude,TheBlueOne
- Whether he was "the" son of god? well that's a faith based issue,,,TheBlueOne
- It's an evidence based issue. The resurrection and the account of his miracles have evidential support.teleos
- teleos0
These threads are tiring because they smack of Skeptic 101 class... loooong since refuted attacks on the authenticity of Christianity and the Bible.
Please everyone save time and energy and search here to get your questions answered:
and here:
- GetRefresh0
Meeklo said:
... the same book that inspires a priest to take advantage of a child, is the same book that inspires mother theresa to become a missionary.WTF? The Bible "inspires" a priest to take advantage of a child??? Fuck that.