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- teleos0
miko you spew nothing but strawmen and caricatures. Your presuppositions are the problem. First, get educated as to what Christians ACTUALLY believe and then meaningful dialogue can happen. As long as you loudly proclaim nonsense, it won't happen.
Unless you're looking to Bill Maher for Christian doctrine... in which case, I can't help ya.
designbot - People are intimidated by the true Christian message because it calls for taking up one's cross and dying to self. It's much easier to post links to freakish pseudo-Christian fringe groups, point and say "AHA! See what the foolish Christians believe!? I told you it's nonsense... blah blah blaaaah."
- how dare you!
http://www.qbn.com/t…Meeklo - you have a lot of fun putting your fingers in your ears and going LALALALALA!spifflink
- how dare you!
- teleos0
It's worth posting again:
"A Documentary about a hardcore "Christian" religious fanatical group. If you judge all Christians or all of Christianity based on this documentary, you may as well do the same in regards to race."
- eating_tv0
I was raised a Christian.
Then I discovered National Geographic.
- Meeklo0
It's worth posting again:
"miko you spew nothing but strawmen and caricatures. Your presuppositions are the problem. First, get educated as to what Christians ACTUALLY believe and then meaningful dialogue can happen. "
Not only you make false accusations, you are assuming that I'm not educated, and that I was not raised christian.
- Miko, not meeklo.teleos
- *I think he was addressing me, but I second your post. Continue..mikotondria3
- oops.. ok
my bad.. (looks down in shame)Meeklo - no, go for it - teleos is good to argue with, especially if he's in a bad mood like today.mikotondria3
- teleos0
It's much easier to post fringe group documentaries and pictures of mega-church hypocrites than actually deal with the evidence for Christ's resurrection miracles and how the person [not religion] of Jesus Christ has transformed millions of [sane] peoples' lives worldwide.
- designbot0
Well I was typing a response to miko, but I think teleos said it well.
The reason most people have a problem with Christianity is because they get their Bible knowledge from fanatics on both sides of the spectrum instead of actually going to the source. I did this myself for some time, I should know.
- teleos0
I was raised a agnostic.
Then I discovered the immutable fact of the Resurrection and that the Bible harmonizes with science.- well, what a day that must have been....tell us about it..
mikotondria3 - Didn't happen all in one day, though my regeneration happened in one moment.teleos
- thats what I mean - tell us about that moment...mikotondria3
- I recognized my sin and my need for a savior and I believed in the Lord Jesus Christ.teleos
- no such thing as an agnostic. god you are a muppet.spifflink
- well, what a day that must have been....tell us about it..
- bliznutty0
all i can say is jesus fucking christ
- harlequino0
The kid with the rat tail who got saved when he was five always gives me a chuckle.
- Meeklo0
sorry teleos, I thought you were talking about me.
- teleos0
A few things that people in these discussion overlook which Christianity played a significant role in:
Inspiring the work and lives of people such as:
marting luther king
mother theresa
george washington
abraham lincoln
isaac newton
galilio galilei
nicholaus capernicus
gregor mendel...to name a few. Oh and there's the endless list of medical and aid missions to nations around the world, civil rights movements, etc...
- what about the billions who died because of it? crusades? spanish inquisition?scarabin
- If you want to make an omlette...harlequino
- that's what hitler saidscarabin
- how bout atheist crusades? Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin's Gulags? More people died in the 20th century...teleos
- you put fucking galileo in that list ? omfg...mikotondria3
- due to materialist/atheist regimes than in all prior centuries due to alleged Christians.teleos
- you don't understand what atheist means, do you ?mikotondria3
- oh i clearly do. Remember: it is you who insists on pouring esoteric definitions into terms.teleos
- wrong. you are disqualified.spifflink
- scarabin0
i watched about ten minutes of it last year before turning it off in disgust
it's like watching a bunch of retarded monkeys
- mikotondria30
Ok, teleos then - let's assume that your worldview is correct for just a minute... A horrifying minute, but a minute none the less...
How are the Jesus Camp people doing anything wrong - they believe that there is a cosmic battle between good and evil, and their unwavering belief in that means that they want to save the children, who without their education, will be damned to hell -
If you believe what they do (and please point out exactly what you believe differently), then why don't you want to teach these children ?
- monospaced0
Christians believe in the Bible. Some believe all of it, others don't. I don't believe in any of it, really, but I do believe that it is best not to murder, steal and cheat.
What I don't understand is why most reformed Christians take some of the Bible to be fact and the rest as metaphor. The fanatics like to believe each and every word as the bottom line, but as time passes more and more of the Bible goes up for interpretation and less as dogma. If you believe some, why not believe all?
Eh, it's all crazy shit.
- Exactly. They've got some tedious answer for that though - I can hear him typing it now..mikotondria3
- eating_tv0
Nothing wrong with all the good bits the Bible advocates. Just the whole deity, wondrous, virgin-birth, miracle, world wide flood, good God, bad God type of thing that kind of scrambles the underlying message.
Harry Potter is a book. 1984 is a book. Understanding Design is a book. Good God people, the Bible is a book!
- tommyo0
I don't quite get why people get so upset about this issue on either side. So the fuck what if someone wants to believe something that you don't? Personally I think religion is a joke and I don't believe any of it. However, I don't see why any of us should care. I think it's the intangibles that make people head for religion in the first place. They get structure, a sense of what they're doing is 'right,' feel at peace with where their life is going... these all seem like nice things. The bible is just the vessel that it's all delivered in as far as I'm concerned. On the flip side, you Jebus lovers better quit judging me. I love the awkwardness when I tell people I'm an atheist, I can see their wheels turning, trying to figure out how to save my poor soul. Regardless, why should any of you care what someone else believes?
- dittohitsuji
- \/monospaced
- becuase the fucking crazies are becoming more and more powerful and taking over your government, thats why.mikotondria3
- Well, first of all it's up to God to save people, not me. Secondly, Christians care b/c we all end up in one of two places when we die, and hell isn't something I'd wish on my worst enemy.Scotch_Roman
- we die, and hell isn't something I'd wish on my worst enemy.Scotch_Roman
- monospaced0
I care when there are groups out there hell-bent on teaching creationism in schools. A step backward in human civilization becomes a real issue when these bible-thumpers try to influence education.
- Who is trying to teach Creationism in public schools? Show me specific data please.teleos
- And what's worse: Creationism, or a 19th century naturalistic creation-myth like Darwinism?teleos
- creationism is, every time.
You're pretending that the attempts to introduce creationism aren't happening?mikotondria3 - Darwinism is a myth?tommyo
- Darwinism is myth indeed. Do you know what "Darwinism" is?teleos
- digdre0
whats the vids of the people dancin, and edited with pendulum music onto it