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- designbot0
@ DrBombay...This has come up before...I do think where you are brought up has a big influence on your beliefs, but it does not dictate what you believe. Everyone has a free will to choose what they believe (although sometimes this can mean persecution). I know people from Africa who were raised there and lived most of their adult lives there who are Christian.....same with China I know Christians from China. So even in my small world, I know of a good handful of people who break this equation.
- and it was going so well...7point34
- and these chinese and african people are americans, right?DrBombay
- 'good handful' versus millions of others. odds are against it.spifflink
- they are Americans now, but most of them are dual-citizens...and none of them were born here.designbot
- There are millions of Christians all over the world who have never been to the States and prolly never will.gramme
- not sure what this proves really. do you get a lot of middle easterners converting to christianity? N\ope.DrBombay
- DrBombay0
It absolutely does have everything to do with how you were brought up. I will bet you ten grand your parents aren't muslims.
- So are you saying people don't have a free will to choose their own beliefs? That how you are raised automatically dictates what you believe?designbot
- what you believe? What if you were raised by abusers, would you automatically abuse too?designbot
- don't take it personally. of course I am not saying that.DrBombay
- that's the trend. people have free will, but no a lot do they change what they were raised to believespifflink
- and yes if someone were abused as a kid, a lot of times, they grow up to abuse THEIR kids. its a cycle.spifflink
- I don't take it personal at all :) Even I had bad stuff happen when I was growing up, but I like to think I turned out pretty normal.designbot
- normal :P I wasn't raised Christian either though.designbot
- morilla0
- Which one is Jesus?TheBlueOne
- He's the jew right?TheBlueOne
- I really can't believe this game exists.morilla
- is this fucking real?
harlequino - yeah, it's "Left Behind, Eternal Forces"morilla
- What the fuck?waterhouse
- jesus is the dead one on the ground with the islam star and moon over him.Point5
- morilla0
- But..but..Jesus doesn't have Happy Meals!TheBlueOne
- hahaha..
does one get a mc nugget after being baptized?Meeklo - You get baptized in "Orange Drink"Mimio
- gramme0
23, I have ABSOLUTELY NO problem with my belief system being questioned. I've done it and continue to do it myself, I don't believe anything without first testing, researching and approving it. This is how I came to faith, I eventually just could not avoid God anymore.
Now that through years of searching, questioning and Divine intervention (God changing my heart during and through those times), I have been convinced of my faith beyond a reasonable doubt, I am not open to being convinced out of it. I am certainly open to, even striving toward growth and a better understanding of God and his word, but I stand firm upon the solid rock that is Christ.
I have discussions with people about God and all surrounding subjects because I am genuinely interested in what people think and why, and because I have been charged with sharing the good news. My goal is not to force-feed or brainwash anyone, but to engage in thoughtful and sensitive dialogue.
- see? it brings him joy. Let the guy do what he wants! He's not bothering anyone..
Meeklo - unless of course he starts to make political decisions (voting) based on religious beliefs, then sir, you lost my respect and support.Meeklo
- support.Meeklo
- Meeklo what would you call my record of voting pro-life? I don't see that as a church/state issue.gramme
- I think it's a moral as well as ethical issue, just like I'm opposed to stealing or poor environmental stewardship.gramme
- I have no idea of your personal voting record, I'm speaking in general.Meeklo
- and for the record, I'm pro life as well, but to me that represent opposition to wars and guns.Meeklo
- see? it brings him joy. Let the guy do what he wants! He's not bothering anyone..
- gramme0
For the record I'm not fond of pamphlets. I don't think it's appropriate to share the gospel outside of a true dialogue, if not face to face then at least in writing. I also think that sharing one's faith within the context of a relationship is best. Otherwise, people can't tell the difference between me and some random kid going door to door selling replacement windows.
- DaveO0
I kind of just wanted to bastardise the graphics for a new night I'm doing.....but a healthy discussion is fine with me!
- teleos0
"One of my beliefs - there was a big bang, things were created, we evolved from monkeys and now have computers!
Now, if someone came along and gave a pretty damn good arguement for that being false and that we are infact all just in the dream of a space monster i'd at least entertain it."
1. The Big Bang - All matter and energy sprang forth from a singularity. This has extremely strong theistic implications. Something outside of matter, time and energy would need to be the catalyst.
2. "Things were created". No argument here. I will just point out that blind stochastic processes don't create things, like say: life, which possess highly specified information.
3. "We evolved from apes". This is a just-so story at worst, and a shaky hypothesis at best. In reality, when you examine the empirical evidence, you find in total, about a pickup truck bed worth of fossil fragments of ape-like creatures. Pieces of skullcaps to parts of femurs (and plenty of plaster to fill in the holes). And there are no intermediate forms between these extinct creatures. But assuming that humans share a common ancestor with some kind ape-like creature, this does not conflict with the Biblical record of human origins (a discussion in itself).
4. Computers are fun. And they require programmers. And programs look a lot like the development of phyla on this planet - like functions in an algorithm. Long periods of stasis with abrupt bursts of biological novelty. (see: saltation)
- yeah but do you have any christian pamphlets?DrBombay
- I don't hand those out. I prefer to build relationships with people and get to their spiritual needs when the time is right.teleos
- yes, just like you've built relationships with us before spouting nonsense.spifflink
- ha, the time has never been right around here.DrBombay
- this is an internet forum.
show me the nonsense i've spewed. Be specific.teleos - < this post, and most of your posts. oh my god i just questioned your arguments! quick get defensive!spifflink
- You lie.TheBlueOne
- teleos0
a good tract:
- teleos0
@ DrBombay...This has come up before...I do think where you are brought up has a big influence on your beliefs, but it does not dictate what you believe. Everyone has a free will to choose what they believe (although sometimes this can mean persecution). I know people from Africa who were raised there and lived most of their adult lives there who are Christian.....same with China I know Christians from China. So even in my small world, I know of a good handful of people who break this equation. "
The problem with this line of reasoning is that the person who is born in a secularist culture is equally foolish in holding his/her secularist worldview as absolute. The world is a collection of faith-based worldviews. It comes down to which one best holds water under scrutiny.
- DrBombay0
I have this guy that hangs on the corner downtown everyday handing out pamphlets about jesus, he has tried to give me these pamphlets 30 times at least. Last week I told him he should get a job.
- DrBombay0
He said his Job is "spreading the gospel", I told him that was an awesome excuse not to work.
- hahaha
Meeklo - that guy is totally sold out and balls out for the sake of the Word of God. +1000philipdrumman
- hahaha
- nicole_marie0
i don't think you will find too many pamphlets online... i actually did a project on religion and church sites are not very helpful when it comes too images. i would visit some churches and ask, that what i did, and got some great results.
- Mimio0
How does the concept of Angels and other supernatural creatures hold up to scrutiny?
- The reliability of the manuscripts which describe such creatures, holds up to scrutiny.teleos
- The Torah, the Qur’an, or the Bible?Mimio
- Or the Disney screenplay for the "Angels in the Outfield?"Mimio
- hahaspifflink
- The old testament/torah (hebrew scriptures) and the new testament (greek scriptures)teleos
- Mimio0
My favorite Chick Tract...so much hate...
http://www.chick.com/reading/tra…- I never knew of Chick tracts before qbn.teleos
- I'm inclined to think Chick publications is an elaborate hoax.teleos
- wowMeeklo
- dude it has been around for decades.DrBombay
- the fact that you think it is a hoax is so indicative of your opinions it is silly.DrBombay
- 40 years dude.DrBombay
- been in Christian "circles" for 20 years, never heard of the organization. Looks like legalists behind it.teleos
- read the tag at the top of the page: http://www.chick.com…DrBombay
- congrats! you don't get out much!spifflink
- based on the content, I can see why they haven't reached me.teleos
- TheBlueOne0
"I prefer to build relationships with people..."
No. no you don't.
- well no, not on an internet forum where people are mostly disingenuous in these discussions.teleos
- then go awayTheBlueOne
- are you building relationships here?teleos
- If I ran into TheBlueOne or Dobs I'd buy them a drink.Mimio
- they wouldn't know who you are. You're anonymous on this forum.teleos
- you don't know that... you are the anonymous one.DrBombay
- TheBlueOne0
These guys give out some rad pamphlets
- Mimio0
Anyone remember the Christian body builders hat used to go around and do "acts of strength and power" and after the show they'd witness to the crowd of kids and tell them that masturbation is wrong?
- Mimio, i can tell you have had some history in the church and you got burnt. Am I wrong?teleos
- Well that's unfortunate.gramme
- (@ Mimio's post)gramme
- I didn't get burnt. I got wise.Mimio
- I remember those jackasses... they came to my jr. high. I was impressed with their strength, but not the shit they spoke.Point5
- sounds like you just outright rejected anything supernatural.teleos
- It's easy to reject what's not there.Mimio
- Consciousness is not "there" in the sense that it can be seen and measured, but there's darn good reason to believe it is.teleos
- consciousness is starting to understood in a neurological sense. don't hide in the gaps of scientific understanding.spifflink
- gramme0
Teleos, my one recommendation to you would be that it doesn't matter whether people online are being disingenuous or not. Since when have we Christians measured our behavior by the world's yardstick? We should always strive to be kind no matter what. Never shirk from the truth mind you, but always be kind in the delivery of it, even if people are laughing at us and asking questions that are (at least in their minds) rhetorical and only serve to make us look foolish in our belief.
- I never laugh at you gramme.TheBlueOne
- gramme is always super-respectful even when I am not.DrBombay
- Thanks guys :) Others laugh at me, but I'm OK with it.gramme
- nah, you are a cool dude. I have tons of christian friends, we just don't talk about that stuff generally.DrBombay
- this is true, I have never laughed at gramme.Point5